Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00013)

Hi Netemara and all of you,


Thanks for sharing your views in the below.
My humble and well meant views are:

Netemara wrote in the below:
"Sufi also mentioned that we should incorporate
some of King's talimens in our thinking. He believed as Gandhi did in
nonviolence and nondestruction. Well, in my understanding of creation
there is going to be destruction to make way for the new. "

My answer:
Well, well - I didn't say "should" did I ? And what kind of -
"destruction" - are you
talking about ?
You might have a superior intelligence (..>:-) ...), but I just don't
understand your above
comment.
Maybe you would like to expand on this - and on what your views on
the so-called "hybrid offshots" are ?

Remember the quote I made in the earliere email on Martin Luther King Jr.
Here it is just one more time:

"Now let me suggest first that if we are to have peace on earth, our
loyalties must become ecumenical rather that sectional. Our loyalties must
transcend our race, our tribe, our class, and our nation; and this means we
must develop a world perspective. No individual can live alone; no nation
can live alone, and as long as we try, the more we are going to have war in
this world. Now the judgement of God is upon us, and we must either learn to
live together as brothers or we are all going to perish together as fools."

Excerpted from "A Christmas Sermon on Peace", delivered on 24 December 1967
at Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta, Ga.




Feel free to comment or do your best...

from
M. Sufilight with peace and love...and all...



----- Original Message -----
From: <netemara888@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World figures in history compared


> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "nama_sivam" <nama_sivam@h...>
> wrote:
> > Hitler was a Beast
> > But Bush is lunatic
> > We can manage with a beast rather than lunatic
> >
> >
> Hi nama,
>
> There is more than one way to see world leaders. I have made a study,
> an historical study of the leaders of the world, ancient and present.
> I have begun to trace Hitler's past lives his metamorphosis through
> those lives. And I assure you he is neither a beast nor a lunatic. He
> followed a pattern which was set up before he came on the world
> scene. And as I quoted on my website from The Tibetan that what we
> have is not destruction of human beings in WWII but the destruction
> of forms. There is a difference. There is a karmic difference. If you
> have read the many accounts of the holocaust as I have you will see
> that these were choices of suffering. Some chose to suffer and go
> through this karma fully and others died at the sight of it and
> others committed suicide.
>
> Suffering for past sins is a choice but it is a choice which can be
> put off to another time and it becomes future karmas. This is also
> the case with Hitler. He is not burning in hell, he has returned to a
> physical body just as many who were killed in the holocaust. That is
> the LAW. The less evolved have less control over how this law affects
> their life.
>
> As for Bush I had contact with him on the inner planes before he took
> office that summer in fact. I knew he would be elected. Then it
> played out as some sort of theft of the office. Yeah, the powers that
> be stole the office for him--if you want to look at it that way.
>
> Bush, now, may be the one who presides over countless loss and
> destruction of human forms if this war has a domino effect. Bush,
> like Hitler, knows exactly what he is doing, make no mistake about
> it. And if he does not, then those who are pulling his spiritual
> strings DO. I can't say more than this about it. Hitler's case was
> one of extremes in the ranks. They went too far and evil was about to
> overtake humanity and according to the Tibetan the Gods stepped in
> and had to help. You don't have to read or believe anything I've
> said. But the Truth is usually NOT what people THINK. Truth is
> created by those that KNOW.
>
> Sufi light has made some comments about linking this all to
> Theosophy. Well world leaders are linked to Theosophy due to the
> First Ray of power's role in the world which provides world leaders
> and royalty. Blavatsky herself was royalty and from royal families in
> many lives. Those who know and have studied her know that she had a
> short fuse and a host of flaws that are directly related to the first
> ray personality type. Sufi also mentioned that we should incorporate
> some of King's talimens in our thinking. He believed as Gandhi did in
> nonviolence and nondestruction. Well, in my understanding of creation
> there is going to be destruction to make way for the new.
>
> It is strange that Gandhi urged his followers be nonviolent and to
> get/take their freedom from the British Raj but they in turn vented
> all that anger toward the Brits and violence on each other and killed
> up and hacked up fellow countrymen, but did little violence to the
> British? This has also been seen among African Americans. They have
> done little to the white establishment but have reeked havoc on their
> own kind! That is not what the First Ray had in mind--that the little
> people should be killed, by their own kind. So is there no irony in
> the fact that they were both gunned down in an act of violence? I am
> not saying they did not say some good words but they must have taken
> a wrong turn somewhere.
>
> My own not so humble opinion about MKG and MLK is that they
> manifested Second Ray qualities in a First Ray job. And that is why
> the world powers do OWE them holidays and a great deal of thanks for
> saving their hides!!!!!
>
> Netemara
>
> > namaasivayam
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Frank Reitemeyer <dhyana@w...>
> > To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 1:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: Theos-World figures in history compared
> >
> >
> > > 4) "Adolf Hitler" has 10 letters. "George Bush" has 10 letters.
> > >
> > > Really? I count 11 for Adolf Hitler.
> > >
> > > 9) Hitler was known to eat food regularly. So is Bush.
> > >
> > > Hitler was a vegetarian and loved animals, Bush not. Hitler
> scheduled to
> > stop all animal sacrifice for the 1950's in order to live in
> harmony with
> > nature. For the same reason in 1934 an environment control program
> was
> > launched.
> > > Bush supports animal sacrifice, even food indexed as "k" (for
> kosher).
> > Bush destroys environment.
> > > Frank
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