Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00012)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Stubbs <stevestubbs@y...>" 
<stevestubbs@y...> wrote:
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "netemara888 <netemara888@y...>" 
> <netemara888@y...> wrote:
> > There is a karmic difference. If you 
> > have read the many accounts of the holocaust as I have you will 
see 
> > that these were choices of suffering. Some chose to suffer and go 
> > through this karma fully and others died at the sight of it and 
> > others committed suicide.
> 
> It might be of interest to Theosophists that there is a rabbi in 
> Minneapolis who has studied the matter of holocaust victims being 
> reincarnated and published two books on the subject, both published 
> by the ARE Press: BEYOND THE ASHES and FROM ASHES TO HEALING. 
After 
> he published the first of these I wrote to him (not having seen his 
> book but having heard about it) and told him if he was collecting 
any 
> more stories he could have mine. He wrote back and said he thought 
> my experiences were real because they "fit the profile" and that 
when 
> I read his book I would see what he meant. I had no idea what he 
was 
> talking about, but got his book (BEYOND THE ASHES) and was 
astonished 
> at all the points he identified which I never realized were 
> connected. Anyone would recognize bad dreams and flashbacks as 
part 
> of it, but there were numerous other matters as well, such as 
> respiratory problems, etc. One common point was bad dreams of 
being 
> persecuted in Spain during the Inquisition campaign against the 
> Maranos. (He mentioned this in his letter but I do not recall 
> whether it was in the book or not.) If those dreams have any 
> relation to historical experience, being murdered by Nazis, 
> unpleasant as it was, was a walk in the park for their victims 
> compared to being slowly tortured by the Catholic church and then 
> burned to death when they were about to expire anyway. It makes 
one 
> a believer in separation of church and state. Anyway, his book is 
> quite good and, I am persuaded, valid.
> 
> That said, I have a sense that the victims did not "choose" to be 
> victims in the sense that you suggest. People who get into fatal 
> auto accidents might have made some bad choices which led to their 
> demise (getting out of bed in the morning being the first one) but 
I 
> doubt they "chose" to die in a car wreck. Or a concentration camp.
> 
> Nobody knows what Hitler's fate was, but I find it depressing to 
> contemplate. I intuitively suspect he did not come out well.

Thanks for your input Steve. But few people ever agree with me. Why? 
Because they simply do not have my state of consciousness. So I do 
not fault you for not seeing the point. However, I feel that you made 
my point for me. The soul does CHOOSE to die in whatever way it in 
fact does die. These things are set up and predestined. That my dear 
is the meaning of destiny. It has been set and seen. So while I know 
myself not to have been a Spanish persecuted Jew or one who died in 
the Holocaust and none of my family I do know of my other lives which 
touched the Jewish people. This was the karma of those who went 
through it. Part of this type of dreadful karma is that it makes such 
a DEEP groove in the heart and mind that one will never forget that 
they have LIVED before. Don't you see the beauty of it spiritually?

So I must disagree with you. We choose. We have limited free will. 
There is NO other way that 5 million Jews would have marched, some 
knowingly, to their deaths!!! They went as sheep to slaughter (not 
all I know). So there is NO doubt in my mind. I do know Hitler's 
fate, as I have studied his past lives and this puts the spotlight on 
his present and future. It is NOT what it seems.

Again thanks for your sharing. We grow through sharing.

Netemara