Theos-Talk Archives (March 2003 Message tt00026)

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From: <netemara888@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 10:07 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re: figures in history compared


Hi. Re your message below, you have said, "We grow through sharing" so I
will share this with you. I have found your recent messages to be
repulsive, but maybe it is just some kind of a reactive process going on
within me. In this particular message, though, you have somehow managed to
convey your "state." I believe there is something seemingly outside which
is looking at history and calls itself a soul, but what it really is is a
configuration of THOUGHT, which is a function, as is FEELING, SENSATION,
MOVEMENT etc. of the whole organism. and, because this complex of thought is
so predominent and with so little purpose, these functions are not BALANCED.
This makes for disorder, and is not the same as having the little SEED grow
up or be RAISED into a mature soul so that there is no lag in the speed of
the various functioning in relationship to each other and the oscillation
frequencies or tempos are harmonized in such a way that there is a different
kind of orientation. The fact that there is a lag is sad. Because something
(thought) is mechanically going too fast in one place, something else
(emotion?) is going too slow in another place. You will have to find out for
yourself.

The Jews you are talking about who marched to their deaths are, at this
point in time, a picture in your mind. You do not need to think about them
or Hilter any longer, as this will not help you. You might as well be
reading magazines and picking your toes, in my opinion, and actually, due to
the necrophiliac quality of your musing, which seems to be habitual, (you
like to think about Hitler and the Jews getting murdered, right?), it might
be better and healthier to read magazines and pick your toes.

I know this probably sounds harsh, but it is not meant to be a personal
attack. I have read all this Hitler crap from you and Frank and cannot
conceive of any practical value of focusing in this direction, except that
there is for each of you a necrophiliac kind of satisfaction. Hitler was, of
course, a result of causes and conditions that surrounded him, as are you,
so it is pointless to be angry with you, but because someone who has both
pondered and practiced as well as stood genuine watch (on rare occasion) has
the verbal skill and the guts to point out what should be obvious, we can
pivot right NOW in such a way that very many people might be affected. It is
all a matter of ORIENTATION. Let's turn in the right direction so that there
can be begin to be an active force, right here on the internet which can
affect many.

As far as being being CONSCIOUS, this is different than being in a "state of
consciousness." It is an extremely important distinction to make. You can
talk about Hitller and the Jews and their karma till hell freezes over and
it will not in any way help you or any human being decrystalize destructive
karmic patterns, because such talk is not Work, is it?

I notice that the number of subscribers to this list is going up rapidly and
also that the volume of messages has been going down. In my opinion, this
is extremely favorable. When there are five messages or so a day, give or
take, participants who occasionally read on the list page or who take their
messages by digests which they barely skim through can now begin to receive
their messages by individual email, and the quality of this group will
become more personal and less disorderly. In this way a certain atmosphere
can be created that can function as a reserve where people can gather a
little bit of group strength to help them make an individual effort that is
a little difficult in that it takes a certain kind of courage and backbone
which we all are probably lacking in to a certain degree. As we feedback our
efforts and come with real inner questions to share, a natural ordering will
emerge that can lead to a renewal and a flowering which will surely affect
your theosophy movement. I will do my best to help this happen, but I am
only one little part. If some people on here do not consider this to pertain
to theosophy, maybe you are wrong. Bring your friends to this list now, if
you know anyone who might benefit, as a major shift, due to the efforts of
many, seems to be happening right now, and such a window is sort of sacred
in that it opens us to our own great motherlode of undiscovered potential
with its streaming benefits.

I have thought about these Hitler messages a lot before responding, as I
want to contribute something that does not lead to further disorder. You
WILL forget that you have lived before, if you even have, as there is no
beauty or purity of "soul" in a thought. Real beauty is outside and beyond
thought and memory, and is the not petty thing you try to make of it. So,
also, is sorrow. You trivialize and what can only be grieved, and there is
no way to know for how long. Wry

I> Thanks for your input Steve. But few people ever agree with me. Why?
> Because they simply do not have my state of consciousness. So I do
> not fault you for not seeing the point. However, I feel that you made
> my point for me. The soul does CHOOSE to die in whatever way it in
> fact does die. These things are set up and predestined. That my dear
> is the meaning of destiny. It has been set and seen. So while I know
> myself not to have been a Spanish persecuted Jew or one who died in
> the Holocaust and none of my family I do know of my other lives which
> touched the Jewish people. This was the karma of those who went
> through it. Part of this type of dreadful karma is that it makes such
> a DEEP groove in the heart and mind that one will never forget that
> they have LIVED before. Don't you see the beauty of it spiritually?
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> So I must disagree with you. We choose. We have limited free will.
> There is NO other way that 5 million Jews would have marched, some
> knowingly, to their deaths!!! They went as sheep to slaughter (not
> all I know). So there is NO doubt in my mind. I do know Hitler's
> fate, as I have studied his past lives and this puts the spotlight on
> his present and future. It is NOT what it seems.
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> Again thanks for your sharing. We grow through sharing.
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> Netemara
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