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Wry on Blavatsky: Part Two

Feb 03, 2003 11:02 AM
by wry

Hi. Somehow the email below got sent while I was writing it, so to continue.
People do not have forever to accomplish a given mission. The first flaw I
perceive in her system I have touched on above (see below), but the second
much more major flaw is that she presents a view of time unlinited which is
irrelevant and meaningless and actually has nothing to do with helping
people develop and will even discourage this. In a system of cosmology it is
appropriate to refer to the absolute, the void, the zero point, or whatever
you want to call it, but when you approach it through language in a certain
way, it not only DISTORTS this concept, but leads to clinging, which is a
grave disaster. See an interesting message Jerry has written to Leon posted
on Theos-list and see Leon's response posted yesterday, When you are saving
your brother you SEE him. You do not need to analyze. What Leon speaks of is
not the void as I understand it. His approach is admittedly an extreme
example, but this is what happens with Madame Blavatsky's writings. A person
can and will get lost in them. This is how I see it and I am really sorry.
It is not bad or good.

Leon, if you are listening, I do not need the people on this list to be a
teacher, if I even want that. I am in great demand. When a person comes to
my house and sits in a room with several people all of whom are practicing
impartial self-observation (as an exercise) he will get a taste of something
he will never forget, but it is NOT the stopping of time. That is an
immature, though somewhat advanced, form of meditation. Guess what? It is
clinging. Jerry, whatever his flaws, does not appear to doing this, or at
the very least, is making an effort not to.

Daniel, I have now been on this for one hour and nineteen minutes and have
not even answered Katrina's message yet, or written to Dallas. Though I
personally like your work and think you have some kind of active force,
which in itself, is somewhat unusual to find in anyone, I do not know if I
can continue with this project as there is too much confusion here. There is
a quality of odor eaters (people who feed off a certain kind of astral
emanation emitted by others.) I may have to read read only from the list
page, but I will still try to leave messages on here. I am going back to my
own list, which has been dormant for a while and also to another group I
have been with for eleven years, plus my teacher is coming back from Tibet.
I will also be working on other lists where it is not so confused. I am
glad you left me this message, and I will respond to you again, but I can no
longer respond to every message other people are leaving me. I guess I will
stay on email for a while and see what happens. Sincerely, Wry

----- Original Message -----
From: "wry" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Yes, Wry, some good examples might help

> Hi. I have just spent 20 minutes looking throughn a bunch of emails,
> from this list, reading three or four, deleting some and marking the rest
> unread. Usually this takes longer. I have then gone downstairs and found
> some reprints from the Secret Doctrine, thinking to quote a section, and
> then come back up here and spent five minutes leafing through this stuff,
> but it is all the same. Any part can be used as an example. I have chapter
> two of The Secret Doctrine. It is admittedly somewhat interesting, You can
> compare this to the Gospel of John. Neither one, in my opinion, is time
> appropriate, but one is an organic whole. the other is not. Moreover, the
> common man can read the story of the gospels and not intellectually
> understand the inner meaning at all and yet come away with something that
> whole and approaches and even touches the esoteric, as it is
> well-constructed allegory,. and even by reading it and not fully
> understanding it, he will be changed, and maybe someday, much later, he
> understand, but The Secret Doctrine the common man will NOT read or
> understand either now or later. Do you dispute this? A good spiritual
> teaching is for everyone. It is simple. This is my understanding, though
> may not agree.
> If it is the aim of theosophy to establish a universal brotherhood, people
> will need to begin to grasp the concept of limited time. Until what is
> called in the Bible "the last day," which has a meaning not only symbolic
> but also literal, all time is LIMITED, not unlimited. This means that
> do not have forever to accomplish a given mission.The first
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 5:14 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Yes, Wry, some good examples might help
> > Wry, you wrote:
> >
> > "I have expressed an important idea in my message, the difference
> > between the well-formed construction of any major organically
> > evolved and finely-tuned-over centuries religion and Madame
> > Blavatsky's teaching. I am prepared to give examples of this in the
> > future, but it is probably not even necessary, as anyone can go to
> > any section of her writings and see what I am talking about, as she
> > takes bits and pieces out of context and puts them together in such a
> > way as to illustrate or show something else, but ONLY SO MUCH CAN BE
> > CONVEYED THIS WAY, as there is no underlying structure that can be
> > organicallly traced back to the whole in such a way that a person can
> > relate it to his own physical functioning. (As above, so below)."
> >
> > It is not clear to me (maybe somebody else understands) exactly what
> > you are trying to convey to Katinka and the rest of us on this forum.
> >
> > Some detailed examples from HPB's writings with your own specific
> > comments may greatly help us to understand what you believe should be
> > clear.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> >
> >
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

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