Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00639)

BAG, 

You wrote:

"The evidence is that over time there were a variety of 
real 'adepts' in HPB's life. That these were other than normal 
gifted men has not been shown by any credible evidence, nor has it 
been shown that they actually authored any of the letters ascribed to 
HPB's 'Mahatmas'. In fact 'their' 'Mahatma Letters' have in numerous 
ways been actually identified as the physical writing of other 
persons ESPECIALLY HPB. Your question ignores what I have previously 
written on the subject, and creates an artificial dichotomy, that the 
real men mentioned as below either existed and therefore wrote the 
letters, or that they didn't exist. You have also phrased your 
question so that it cannot be answered 'no' or 'yes'. Let me ask two 
proper questions. Do I think that some real persons existed that HPB 
modeled her "masters" on? YES. I do NOT doubt the existence of 
persons that HPB modeled her 'masters' on. Do I think that they were 
the powerful Guides and Guardians of all humanity whose "letters" HPB 
delivered to the world ? NO. I am SURE that there were no 
such 'masters' as her 'Mahatmas' who materialized letters that landed 
on peoples' heads. Furthermore I doubt that she had a 
tradition 'disciple' relationship of obedience to any real living 
master, because her ego was so huge. The only masters she could 
surrender to were her own inventions." 

BAG, thank you for your above comments.

I want to make a good number of replies to what you have written. I 
cannot at present make all my own comments but will start with a few 
and add more later today or tomorrow.

For example, BAG, you write:

"In fact 'their' 'Mahatma Letters' have in numerous ways been 
actually identified as the physical writing of other persons 
ESPECIALLY HPB."

NUMEROUS ways??? What are the sources for this assertion?

You write that the Mahatma Letters have been identified as the 
physical writing of OTHER persons. What OTHER persons? And who made 
these identifications?

And when you say ESPECIALLY HPB, upon what basis do you make this 
claim? 

Are you aware that the questioned documents examiner Dr. Vernon 
Harrison has given his expert opinion that negates this assertion of 
yours?

Dr. Harrison wrote:

"I have found no evidence that the Mahatma Letters were written by 
Helena Blavatsky consciously and deliberately in a disguised form of 
her own handwriting developed over a period of several years, as 
claimed by Richard Hodgson. That is, I find no evidence of common 
origin between the KH, M, and HPB scripts. In any ordinary legal case 
I would regard them as different scripts and attribute them to 
different authors." 
Quoted from:
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/hpb-spr/hpbspr-o.htm

Furthermore, in 1963, Dr. Paul L. Kirk, another questioned documents 
examiner, gave a similar opinion to Victor Endersby based on the 
handwritings samples provided to him from the Hodgson Report. See 
Endersby's THE HALL OF MAGIC MIRRORS.

Now turning to another statement of yours.

"Furthermore I doubt that she had a tradition 'disciple' relationship 
of obedience to any REAL LIVING master, because her ego was so huge. 
The only masters she could surrender to were her own inventions." 
caps added.

I could ask several questions about this vague statement of yours but 
at this time will offer the following.

Colonel Olcott gave the following testimony of an encounter with 
HPB's own guru on July 15, 1879. 

Olcott reports that Master Morya "visited me in the flesh at Bombay, 
coming in full daylight, and on horseback. He had me called by a 
servant into the front room of HPB's bungalow (she being at the
time 
in the other bungalow talking with those who were there). He came to 
scold me roundly for something I had done in TS matters, and as HPB 
was also to blame, he telegraphed to her to come, that is to say, he 
turned his face and extended his finger in the direction of the place 
she was in. She came over at once with a rush and, seeing him, 
dropped on her knees and paid him reverence. My voice and his had 
been heard by those in the other bungalow, but only HPB and I, and 
the servant saw him.

I call your attention to Olcott's words:

"She [HPB] came over at once with a rush and, seeing him, dropped on 
her knees and paid him reverence."

Contrast this with your assertion which reads:

"Furthermore I doubt that she had a tradition 'disciple' relationship 
of obedience to any real living master, because her ego was so huge. 
The only masters she could surrender to were her own inventions."

Elsewhere Olcott refers to HPB's reverence to and for her Teachers.

In light of your assertion about HPB, why, BAG, did she drop on her 
knees and pay reverence to this Master?

I will continue my comments and questions in Part II.

Daniel H. Caldwell

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