Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00441)

MNO> Yes. But you are missing the point I am making.

MNO> 1. As long as Baileys books contain what one could call
MNO> contradictions about, wheather Bailey (and D.K.) supported the
MNO> upraise of Hitlers bad regime, then trouble will come around for
MNO> sure.

As I'm sure you must know, all esoteric writings contain
contradictions, but AAB's position was quiet clear on this issue:


The tendency to fasten the war on Hitler and his gang of evil men
should not blind us to the causes which have made his evil work
possible. He is mainly a precipitating agency, for through him world
selfishness and cruelty have been brought to a focus. But, as Christ
has said: "Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs
be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence
cometh." (Matthew 18:7.) The causes of this rampant evil are inherent
in humanity itself.

Alice A. Bailey

MNO> It is because one so easily can misread Bailey, that the problems
MNO> with the books content today in the societies with Internet etc.
MNO> get visible. I totally agree, that pro-Baileys (i.e. at least
MNO> more than 95% of them) doesn't support the Hitler scheme. I am
MNO> talking about the misunderstandings which comes due to the
MNO> content of the Bailey books. The truth is, the books of Baileys
MNO> has to be interpreted to be understood - else they comparatively
MNO> easily can get misunderstood, and trouble comes. (Looking at:
MNO> Alice A. Bailey "The Externalization of the Hierarchy"; p. 127).
MNO> Agreed ?

All esoteric writings are subject to being misunderstood, and we
humans are quiet expert and making a mess of things. I think that
fundamentally, the problem is not in the AAB or HPB but in the human
readers. There are numerous passages in virtually all esoteric
writings that become dangerous in the hands of all but the most wise
of readers. Even the great truths become a horror.


MNO> a) The Bailey books are not a balanced multicultural presentation on
MNO> Theosophy.

Actually, AAB strikes me as far more multicultural than HPB's
writings, though I revere them both. What specific "multicultural"
expression did you find in HPB that was omitted in Bailey?

MNO> b) The Bailey books leans heavily towards a Chrisitan outlook unto the
MNO> world.

Its just about love. Bailey offers a scathing inditement of what the
churches have done to Christ's teachings.

There are 475 references to Buddha in the Bailey works, all positive.

MNO> c) The Middle East is hardly mentioned in the books, but the Christian
MNO> religion gets a whole lot of coverage.

The Christian religion described by Bailey as a horific travesty. The
essence of Christ's teaching is praised.

MNO> d) The books were not intended for a Middle Eastern audience.

Not intended for your typical church personality, East or West. Not
easily received by anyone with narrow sectarian identifications, i.e.
most humans.


MNO> e) Bailey groups are connected with work at The United Nations,
MNO> Headquarters.

Yes.

MNO> f) This is today one of the problems the books of Bailey creates
MNO> in TODAYS international information society, where there are
MNO> clearly visible political tensions between the Western
MNO> politicians and The Middle Eastern ones. Agreed?

Bailey advocates a brotherhood of persons and nations,
internationalism, and a healing of cleavages. What specifically are
you referring to?


MNO> 3. Luci's Trust is sponsored by among others Robert McNamara,
MNO> former minister of Defence in the USA, president of the World
MNO> Bank, member of the Rockefeller Foundation, and Thomas Watson
MNO> (IBM, former ambassador in Moscow). Luci's Trust sponsors among
MNO> others the following organizations: UN, Greenpeace Int.,
MNO> Greenpeace USA, Amnesty Int. and UNICEF. Agreed ?

Apart from the question good or ill of these humans, I would not blame
HPB for all that the Theosophical society has done, nor would I credit
D.K., or Bailey for the character and actions of all personages who
have adopted and sought to implement D.K.'s teaching. The teaching
does not create wind-up toys.

MNO> I hope it will help you. I am in no doubt about, that you mean
MNO> well, but I think that Lucis Trust has more problems right now,
MNO> than they themselves are aware of ! My view is, that either Lucis
MNO> Trust changes their - business as usual politics - on PR towards
MNO> the Middle Eastern issue - OR they will be changed by the Law of
MNO> Karma...

Personally, I do not spend time thinking either critically or
defensively about Lucis Trust or the Theosophical society. I can
address something of what Bailey, HPB, and other great writings have
said, and relate it to my on experience and sense of things. I have
great praise and some criticism for both these teachings. I would be
happy to hear more of your political concerns as they relate to
specific aspects of the ancient wisdom. Perhaps if you cited some
specific thing deserving of careful focus--this instead of the barrage
words which few will have adequate time for--something that relates
clearly to what HPB or AAB wrote.


Best Light,

James