Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00390)

Hi P. Lindsay and all of you,


P. Lindsay wrote:
" It depends upon whether you interpret evenly or react. The force of
> the first ray and Shamballa stimulates the tyrant in everyone, as
> force and power is the least point of resistance for Humanity in
> handling this least understood of the ray energies. It is the Will
> aspect of the first ray which we are all learning to use, as any
> disciple of M will tell you."

My Sufilight answer:
But, how can one support such a teaching?
Does ordinarly people - now - even have to INTERPRET the Bailey-books on
such a important issue ???
Books said by some to be dictated from a Master - about year 1947.
Some people will for sure read this below quote
taken from Alice A. Bailey: "The Externalization of the Hierarchy"; p.127, -
in a manner which will make your head spin - if you have any moral
compassion inside of you.
They will simply state something similar to: Allright Theosophy supported
the Nazis, there we have it !
And they will say something similar to: Theosophy sucks !


Is that true Theosophy ?
I just ask.

How can, any divine force, - and here the divine force from Shamballa (i.e.
(Para)Brahman) with its open heart stimulate the tyrant in people ? Please
explain that.

Please clarify these apparent immoral stances of yours.
One shall know people on their fruits !

Maybe the Alice Bailey books needs a proper wordbook online.
Then we all would know how to interpret correctly.>:-)


Feel free to comment or do your best...

from
M. Sufilight


----- Original Message -----
From: <phillip@esotericastrologer.org>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Shamballa behind facism ?


> > Alice A. Bailey: "The Externalization of the Hierarchy"
> > "It was the acuteness of this situation, and the wide extent of
> the cleavage, which induced the watching Hierarchy to permit a
> direct inflow of the Shamballa force (in spite of its attendant
> risks) to pour into the world. The objective was to stimulate the
> free will of the masses; the result upon them has been relatively
> good as it has led to the formulation and expression of the great
> world ideologies - Fascism, [127] Democracy and Communism as well as
> that peculiarly distorted blend of Fascism and Communism which goes
> by the name of Hitlerism or Nazism. All these ideologies are
> fostered by the desire of the masses for the betterment of the
> condition in which the populace in any country lives and it has
> become focused, expressive and creative by the force of the
> Shamballa influence. But another result of this inflow of the will-
> to-power has been to stimulate a certain group of outstanding
> personalities in many lands so that they have assumed control of the
> masses and can thus determine the policies and methods - religious,
> political and social - of the different nations. In every nation a
> relatively small group of people decide all important issues and
> determine all major national activities. This they do either by
> force, terror and deception or by persuasion, fair words and the
> application of ideological motives. Of this situation in the world
> the Lords of Destiny are availing themselves in order to bring the
> ancient conflict to an end and so enable humanity to pass into the
> new Aquarian Age relatively free and with a clearer understanding of
> right human aims, right relationships and man's predestined future."
> >
> > Was Shamballa behind Hitler and facism ?
> > Can any pro-Bailey honestly say, they support the above view ?
> > Was this view channeld by a Master named D.K ?
>
> It depends upon whether you interpret evenly or react. The force of
> the first ray and Shamballa stimulates the tyrant in everyone, as
> force and power is the least point of resistance for Humanity in
> handling this least understood of the ray energies. It is the Will
> aspect of the first ray which we are all learning to use, as any
> disciple of M will tell you. DK is simply saying the stimulation of
> Humanity by the Shamballa force led to the human expression of those
> ideologies, not something that was an ideal for the watching Great
> Ones, but something with which they could work at any rate. Humanity
> experimented and experienced, and through that have realised that
> democracy is the most workable system for now. It is widely
> documented how the Nazis went looking for Shamballa, as it was this
> power that they sensed and wanted more of, in its lowest
> materialistic and distorted sense. I might add that it is said
> (forget the reference) that AAB was on Hitler's black list.
> Of course this view above was sent by DK.
> P.
> >
> > Feel free to comment and do your best...
> >
> >
> > from
> > M. Sufilight
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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