Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00196)

Excuse me here <she sez politely>...

I think it is a very dangerous thing to cut and paste bits and pieces 
of ones thoughts and pass judgements on the totality of that persons 
thinking....

Please, forgive me for assuming you are an American, in the same 
book, AAB also suggests that "the American is intensely critical of 
other people, but often blind to and always resentful of criticism. 
Yet there is as much to criticize in America as there is as there is 
in any other nation."

Do you believe this my friend? 

Most sincerely,
Suzanne



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> Nick Weeks wrote:
> > 
> > Here you go Bart, have at it.
> 
> In the chapter entitled "The Jewish Problem" (where have I heard 
THAT
> phrase before?), she starts out, 
> 
> "This problem is so old and so well known that it is difficult to 
say
> anything about it which will not be in the nature of a platitude, 
that
> will not indicate a bias of some kind (from the point of view of the
> reader) and that will not arouse in the Jewish reader above all an
> undesirable reaction."
> 
> Translation: "I'm about to repeat a bunch of ancient 
slanders, and if
> Jews don't like it, it proves that I'm right."
> 
> "The Jews have always constituted a nation within a nation, though 
this
> has been less marked in Great Britain, Holland, France and Italy 
than
> elsewhere, and therefore, in none of these countries has there been 
any
> strong anti-Semitic feeling."
> 
> This is the first place where she confuses cause and effect. 
The Jews
> in those countries assimilated because they were ALLOWED to do so.
> 
> "In every country and down the ages, the Jew has turned to commerce 
and
> has worked with money; they [97] are a strictly commercial and urban
> people and have shown little interest in agriculture, except lately
> under the Zionist Movement in Palestine."
> 
> Once again, confusing caused and efffect. The Jews were 
involved in
> commercial enterprise because those were the only means of making a
> living that were ALLOWED to Jews. It's like strapping a person to a
> chair, and calling him lame. 
> 
> "To their extremely materialistic tendencies"
> 
> Pardon the Jews for trying to live. 
> 
> "the Jews are, for instance, the product of centuries of tent-
dwelling
> and hence the untidy effect they have on any community in which they
> live and which the more organized Westerner (a cave-dweller) fails 
to
> recognize. They are also the product of their need, down the 
centuries,
> to live off the people among whom they wander, to seize the 
presented
> chance to take what they want, to see to it that their children get 
the
> best of everything available, no matter what the cost to others, to
> cling to their own people in the midst of the alien races among whom
> they cast their lot, and to preserve inviolate, as far as may be, 
their
> national religion, their national taboos and the ancient landmarks."
> 
> Historically, when Jews have been expelled from a country, the
> government seized most of their possessions. One of the reasons why 
many
> Jews became jewelers is because they could easily carry their 
assetts
> with them if tossed from their place of living. Once again, she 
confuses
> cause with effect. 
> 
> "The Ghetto tendency, as one might call it, can be seen spreading
> everywhere, particularly in the larger cities in the different
> countries. Down the ages, the Jews for measures of protection and 
for
> communal happiness tended to herd together and to seek each other 
out,
> and the Gentiles among whom they found themselves fostered this
> tendency;"
> 
> Reality: Jews were forced to live in special enclaves called 
ghettos;
> the penalty for leaving without permission from the government was
> death. Not to mention the annual Easter massacres of Jews. 
> 
> "Because of the aptitude of the Jew to live off other people and to 
live
> within a nation, benefiting by its customs, culture and 
civilization but
> retaining a separate identity and not [99] becoming a true part of 
the
> national life, the Jew has ever been subjected to persecution; as a
> race, he is nowhere liked and people are on guard against him and 
his
> methods."
> 
> Translation: The Jews deserved to be persecuted because they 
had the
> bad manners to insist on surviving. 
> 
> "It is a religion of taboos, built up carefully to protect the 
wandering
> Jew as he drifted from one community to another;"
> 
> Except that it was formed largely during a period where the 
Jews were
> living in a stable agricultural community. 
> 
> "The Gentile today neither remembers nor cares that the Jews were
> instrumental in having Christ put to death (according to The New
> Testament);"
> 
> Except every Easter, during the ritual massacres of Jews 
throughout
> Eastern Europe.
> 
> "He remembers far more acutely Jewish business methods, the fact 
that
> the Jew, if orthodox, regards Gentile food as impure for him and 
that
> the Jew considers his citizenship as secondary to his racial
> obligations."
> 
> By Jewish Law, the law of the land takes precedence. 
> 
> "He regards the Jew as a follower of an obsolete religion; he [101]
> intensely dislikes the cruel and jealous Jehovah of the Jews and 
looks
> upon The Old Testament as the history of a cruel and aggressive 
people -
> apart from the Psalms of David, which all men love."
> 
> There is no god called "Jehovah" in the Old Testament; it is 
an
> invention, largely of early Protestants, as is the cruel and 
aggressive
> characterization.
> 
> "The solution, however, will be found only when the Jews themselves 
seek
> to find the way out and cease their present policy of demanding 
that the
> Gentiles and Christians make all the concessions, find the solution 
of
> the problem alone, and, unaided by the Jews, bring the evil 
situation to
> an end."
> 
> Translation: "How dare the Jews believe they have the right 
to live?"
> 
> "The Jew needs to recognize his share in bringing about the dislike
> which hounds him everywhere;"
> 
> i.e. staying alive...
> 
> "The undesirable aspects of civilization are present, but the 
benefits
> conferred far outweigh these, and the Negro, in spite of his 
natural and
> understandable antagonism, should recognize them as a debt he owes 
to
> the aggressive and acquisitive white nations. Contact with them has
> stimulated his intellectual perception; the white man's way of 
living
> has lifted the Negroes of Africa out of their primitive state into a
> more modern one; education and modern ways of thinking and planning 
are
> rapidly fitting the Negroes to take their place in a modern world;
> science, transportation [108] and knowledge - brought to them 
through
> the medium of the white races - are tying them closely into the
> developing scheme of modern history; the new world with its better 
ways
> of living is as much for the Negro as for the white man."
> 
> Translation: "With work, the Black people will be as almost 
as good as
> the White people." 
> 
> "The problem facing the white races now in Africa is so to train the
> Negroes that they will be fitted for true self-government."
> 
> They WERE fitted for self-government. It was at King 
Leopold's cocktail
> party in Belgium that Africa was chopped up into countries with no
> regard for the tribal boundaries, creating a situation where groups 
that
> were at war with each other found each other cut off from their 
brothers
> and shoved together with those with whom they warred. When African
> countries became largely independent, there was a movement to 
restore
> the old national boundaries; the big money forced it into the
> artificial, European-drawn boundaries, and we can all see the 
results. 
> 
> "The Christian era was ushered in by a mere handful of men, the 
twelve
> Apostles, the seventy disciples and the five hundred who recognized 
the
> message of the Christ. The new era in which Christ will "see of the
> travail of His soul and be satisfied", is being ushered in by the
> hundreds of thousands of the men of goodwill now active in the 
world and
> who can become still more active if recognized, reached and 
organized."
> 
> Showing her belief that Christianity is the One True Religion(tm). 
> 
> "The fact of God, the fact of Christ, the fact of men's spiritual
> approach to divinity, the fact of the deathlessness of the Spirit, 
the
> fact of spiritual opportunity and the fact of man's relation to God 
and
> to his fellowmen - upon these we can take our stand. We should 
emphasize
> [123] also the evolutionary presentation of truth and its constant
> adaptation to the need of humanity at any given period in history."
> 
> Confusion of religion with fact.