Theos-Talk Archives (January 2003 Message tt00203)

Will you please answer my question below Nick?

A simple "yes" or "no" can say a 1000 words my friend....

But, total evasion of the question (silence) can tell the truth.

Most sincerely,
Suzanne



--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "Suzanne <gddsssuze@y...>" 
<gddsssuze@y...> wrote:
> Excuse me here <she sez politely>...
> 
> I think it is a very dangerous thing to cut and paste bits and 
pieces 
> of ones thoughts and pass judgements on the totality of that 
persons 
> thinking....
> 
> Please, forgive me for assuming you are an American, in the same 
> book, AAB also suggests that "the American is intensely critical of 
> other people, but often blind to and always resentful of 
criticism. 
> Yet there is as much to criticize in America as there is as there 
is 
> in any other nation."
> 
> Do you believe this my friend? 
> 
> Most sincerely,
> Suzanne
> 
> 
> 
> --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> > Nick Weeks wrote:
> > > 
> > > Here you go Bart, have at it.
> > 
> > In the chapter entitled "The Jewish Problem" (where have I heard 
> THAT
> > phrase before?), she starts out, 
> > 
> > "This problem is so old and so well known that it is difficult to 
> say
> > anything about it which will not be in the nature of a platitude, 
> that
> > will not indicate a bias of some kind (from the point of view of 
the
> > reader) and that will not arouse in the Jewish reader above all an
> > undesirable reaction."
> > 
> > Translation: "I'm about to repeat a bunch of ancient 
> slanders, and if
> > Jews don't like it, it proves that I'm right."
> > 
> > "The Jews have always constituted a nation within a nation, 
though 
> this
> > has been less marked in Great Britain, Holland, France and Italy 
> than
> > elsewhere, and therefore, in none of these countries has there 
been 
> any
> > strong anti-Semitic feeling."
> > 
> > This is the first place where she confuses cause and effect. 
> The Jews
> > in those countries assimilated because they were ALLOWED to do so.
> > 
> > "In every country and down the ages, the Jew has turned to 
commerce 
> and
> > has worked with money; they [97] are a strictly commercial and 
urban
> > people and have shown little interest in agriculture, except 
lately
> > under the Zionist Movement in Palestine."
> > 
> > Once again, confusing caused and efffect. The Jews were 
> involved in
> > commercial enterprise because those were the only means of making 
a
> > living that were ALLOWED to Jews. It's like strapping a person to 
a
> > chair, and calling him lame. 
> > 
> > "To their extremely materialistic tendencies"
> > 
> > Pardon the Jews for trying to live. 
> > 
> > "the Jews are, for instance, the product of centuries of tent-
> dwelling
> > and hence the untidy effect they have on any community in which 
they
> > live and which the more organized Westerner (a cave-dweller) 
fails 
> to
> > recognize. They are also the product of their need, down the 
> centuries,
> > to live off the people among whom they wander, to seize the 
> presented
> > chance to take what they want, to see to it that their children 
get 
> the
> > best of everything available, no matter what the cost to others, 
to
> > cling to their own people in the midst of the alien races among 
whom
> > they cast their lot, and to preserve inviolate, as far as may be, 
> their
> > national religion, their national taboos and the ancient 
landmarks."
> > 
> > Historically, when Jews have been expelled from a country, the
> > government seized most of their possessions. One of the reasons 
why 
> many
> > Jews became jewelers is because they could easily carry their 
> assetts
> > with them if tossed from their place of living. Once again, she 
> confuses
> > cause with effect. 
> > 
> > "The Ghetto tendency, as one might call it, can be seen spreading
> > everywhere, particularly in the larger cities in the different
> > countries. Down the ages, the Jews for measures of protection and 
> for
> > communal happiness tended to herd together and to seek each other 
> out,
> > and the Gentiles among whom they found themselves fostered this
> > tendency;"
> > 
> > Reality: Jews were forced to live in special enclaves called 
> ghettos;
> > the penalty for leaving without permission from the government was
> > death. Not to mention the annual Easter massacres of Jews. 
> > 
> > "Because of the aptitude of the Jew to live off other people and 
to 
> live
> > within a nation, benefiting by its customs, culture and 
> civilization but
> > retaining a separate identity and not [99] becoming a true part 
of 
> the
> > national life, the Jew has ever been subjected to persecution; as 
a
> > race, he is nowhere liked and people are on guard against him and 
> his
> > methods."
> > 
> > Translation: The Jews deserved to be persecuted because they 
> had the
> > bad manners to insist on surviving. 
> > 
> > "It is a religion of taboos, built up carefully to protect the 
> wandering
> > Jew as he drifted from one community to another;"
> > 
> > Except that it was formed largely during a period where the 
> Jews were
> > living in a stable agricultural community. 
> > 
> > "The Gentile today neither remembers nor cares that the Jews were
> > instrumental in having Christ put to death (according to The New
> > Testament);"
> > 
> > Except every Easter, during the ritual massacres of Jews 
> throughout
> > Eastern Europe.
> > 
> > "He remembers far more acutely Jewish business methods, the fact 
> that
> > the Jew, if orthodox, regards Gentile food as impure for him and 
> that
> > the Jew considers his citizenship as secondary to his racial
> > obligations."
> > 
> > By Jewish Law, the law of the land takes precedence. 
> > 
> > "He regards the Jew as a follower of an obsolete religion; he 
[101]
> > intensely dislikes the cruel and jealous Jehovah of the Jews and 
> looks
> > upon The Old Testament as the history of a cruel and aggressive 
> people -
> > apart from the Psalms of David, which all men love."
> > 
> > There is no god called "Jehovah" in the Old Testament; it is 
> an
> > invention, largely of early Protestants, as is the cruel and 
> aggressive
> > characterization.
> > 
> > "The solution, however, will be found only when the Jews 
themselves 
> seek
> > to find the way out and cease their present policy of demanding 
> that the
> > Gentiles and Christians make all the concessions, find the 
solution 
> of
> > the problem alone, and, unaided by the Jews, bring the evil 
> situation to
> > an end."
> > 
> > Translation: "How dare the Jews believe they have the right 
> to live?"
> > 
> > "The Jew needs to recognize his share in bringing about the 
dislike
> > which hounds him everywhere;"
> > 
> > i.e. staying alive...
> > 
> > "The undesirable aspects of civilization are present, but the 
> benefits
> > conferred far outweigh these, and the Negro, in spite of his 
> natural and
> > understandable antagonism, should recognize them as a debt he 
owes 
> to
> > the aggressive and acquisitive white nations. Contact with them 
has
> > stimulated his intellectual perception; the white man's way of 
> living
> > has lifted the Negroes of Africa out of their primitive state 
into a
> > more modern one; education and modern ways of thinking and 
planning 
> are
> > rapidly fitting the Negroes to take their place in a modern world;
> > science, transportation [108] and knowledge - brought to them 
> through
> > the medium of the white races - are tying them closely into the
> > developing scheme of modern history; the new world with its 
better 
> ways
> > of living is as much for the Negro as for the white man."
> > 
> > Translation: "With work, the Black people will be as almost 
> as good as
> > the White people." 
> > 
> > "The problem facing the white races now in Africa is so to train 
the
> > Negroes that they will be fitted for true self-government."
> > 
> > They WERE fitted for self-government. It was at King 
> Leopold's cocktail
> > party in Belgium that Africa was chopped up into countries with no
> > regard for the tribal boundaries, creating a situation where 
groups 
> that
> > were at war with each other found each other cut off from their 
> brothers
> > and shoved together with those with whom they warred. When African
> > countries became largely independent, there was a movement to 
> restore
> > the old national boundaries; the big money forced it into the
> > artificial, European-drawn boundaries, and we can all see the 
> results. 
> > 
> > "The Christian era was ushered in by a mere handful of men, the 
> twelve
> > Apostles, the seventy disciples and the five hundred who 
recognized 
> the
> > message of the Christ. The new era in which Christ will "see of 
the
> > travail of His soul and be satisfied", is being ushered in by the
> > hundreds of thousands of the men of goodwill now active in the 
> world and
> > who can become still more active if recognized, reached and 
> organized."
> > 
> > Showing her belief that Christianity is the One True Religion
(tm). 
> > 
> > "The fact of God, the fact of Christ, the fact of men's spiritual
> > approach to divinity, the fact of the deathlessness of the 
Spirit, 
> the
> > fact of spiritual opportunity and the fact of man's relation to 
God 
> and
> > to his fellowmen - upon these we can take our stand. We should 
> emphasize
> > [123] also the evolutionary presentation of truth and its constant
> > adaptation to the need of humanity at any given period in 
history."
> > 
> > Confusion of religion with fact.