Re: Theos-World on our toes
Jan 05, 2003 06:01 AM
by Morten Nymann Olesen
Hi Dallas and all of you,
My views are presented in the below:
Thanks for the good words.
I agree a lot with them.
But Dallas, what strikes me in the below writing of yours is this:
"All that we know of Theosophy has come though H P B as Their
Messenger. But, we cannot adopt any specific attitude unless we,
through study, are prepared to explain this fully."
"They, the MASTERS, are Universal. And "They" are the "property" of no
creed or sect.
The (or any) THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, if it claims to be the sole channel
to the Masters, is in error. No one who proclaims this can prove it."
My Sufilight answer:
Dallas how can you combine these two statements of yours A and B ?
Who do you define Theosophy, litterally or in broad terms ?
To me your - A - statement is false.
My view is. Theosophy is more than HPB, and one can freely chose HPB as ones
main source to learn from...or another one.
But wisdom is wisdom.
And HPB was actually the first real source litterally speaking on Theosophy
(by the use of the word) since 1875.
"Theosophy makes only one claim and that is: it presents in a
condensed form the HISTORY of evolution and of the qualities and
potentials that underlie this continuing event."
My Sufilight answer:
Yes and condensed it really is !
Else I agree a lot with you Dallas.
I think this one from you Dallas is especially good and I support it, if
Theosophy - has the meaning "a part of the wisdom tradition of all ages" :
"If you take my assurance as correct, then you can be making the error
of choosing me as an :"authority." I am not. I merely say you can
find out for yourself. Then, you become the authority for what you
know or have reasoned out. Truth is a common factor, and is shared
and participated in by all -- no exclusions. None of us are in any
better position by mere membership..
Theosophy is self-proving, and the Masters demonstrate this in
everything they have written."
Feel free to comment or do your best...
M. Sufilight with peace...
----- Original Message -----
To: "AA-B-Study" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World on our toes
> Jan 5 2002
> Dear Mic:
> Did you see the following? Posted yesterday ?
> Jan 4 2003
> Dear Friends:
> The question really revolves about the idea that JOINING SOME GROUP,
> SOCIETY, OR CHURCH GIVES A PERSON SOME SPECIAL ADVANTAGE
> Theosophy and the Masters of Wisdom have demonstrated at every step
> that it is unsectarian and universal in scope. But this said, one has
> to set about to prove it.
> Lets start with the proposition that no one owns TRUTH.
> History as fact is invariable. Apologists later may seek to
> explain the supposed motives for choices and events.
> Theosophy makes only one claim and that is: it presents in a
> condensed form the HISTORY of evolution and of the qualities and
> potentials that underlie this continuing event.
> Its doctrines are the result of careful investigations and resting by
> generations of students and scholars -- so that their accuracy might
> only be made available for consideration. ( S D I 272-3)
> Truth is fact and independent of anyone or anything.
> The Masters of WISDOM, by definition, are the most advanced students
> and knowers of facts and truths we know of. (S D I 272-3 )
> They claim they were present when the evolutionary thrust began. They
> also say we were there but we were in relatively inexperienced stage
> of our
> development. They state that Nature preserves a complete record in
> the AKASA of all the events that they offer, so that we may verify
> them when we acquire the power to read in the Akasa.
> All that we know of Theosophy has come though H P B as Their
> Messenger. But, we cannot adopt any specific attitude unless we,
> through study, are prepared to explain this fully.
> Where do we contact Them? I say: In our own HIGHER SELF -- (the 6th
> and 7th Principles -- ATMA and BUDDHI, present in every human, as well
> as everywhere, in every being, in every "atom" in Nature.)
> This is named the MONAD.
> Every Monad is potentially a "Higher Self" advancing as an immortal
> Pilgrim through the experiences of the whole vast Universal
> We as humans, one of those Monads, are mid-way. Our minds give
> access to the Material and to the Spiritual sides of life.
> We are therefore endowed as free-willed beings with the capacity to
> A study of the virtues and the vices and their relation to
> universal law as it operates in nature is essential. This is what
> Buddha, Krishna, Jesus, Zoroaster, Hermes, Pythagoras, Plato, and all
> great Sages and reformers taught and now teach.
> The clue is that wisdom and true knowledge always enlarges and
> universalizes. Any time one finds restrictions made or claimed, one
> can be sure that the claims or statements are not accurate. The
> nature of the flaw has to be determined by the student-enquirer.
> They, the MASTERS, are Universal. And "They" are the "property" of no
> creed or sect.
> The (or any) THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY, if it claims to be the sole channel
> to the Masters, is in error. No one who proclaims this can prove it.
> I would challenge any one to advance written proof of the Masters, or
> of H P B, stating, unequivocally, that the THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY is
> such a sole channel.
> Many statements are made concerning the value of the THEOSOPHICAL
> SOCIETY but mere membership or adherence to it gives no one any
> special advantages. This will be found to be the basis made for every
> sect or creed -- some special favor or advantage -- illogical and
> We can demonstrate that for ourselves, if we desire to find out by
> reading what They have written. Use the MAHATMA LETTERS. Thousands
> of articles and books have been published illustrating various
> Theosophical "truths," or "Laws," more or less correctly. In the
> final analysis every student decides for themselves what is useful and
> Theosophy like mathematics has a logic that runs through it and makes
> it coherent -- we have to seek that and apply it to anything we read
> or study. But we have to do the work using our Higher Principles and
> Higher Mind in that work.
> If you take my assurance as correct, then you can be making the error
> of choosing me as an :"authority." I am not. I merely say you can
> find out for yourself. Then, you become the authority for what you
> know or have reasoned out. Truth is a common factor, and is shared
> and participated in by all -- no exclusions. None of us are in any
> better position by mere membership..
> Theosophy is self-proving, and the Masters demonstrate this in
> everything they have written.
> Best wishes,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mic
> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 11:29 PM
> Subject: Be on our toes
> --- "Daniel H. Caldwell <email@example.com>"
> > . There Is No Religion Higher Than Truth:
> > Developments in The
> > Theosophical Society by E.L. Gardner
> > http://www.theosophical.ca/NoReligion.htm
> The above link which Daniel recently posted is where
> the below quote was obtained from.
> "The Ancient Wisdom Stands
> That The Theosophical Society's work and reputation
> suffered seriously is unquestionable. These mistakes
> wrought great havoc, the end of which is not yet. But
> what has the founding of a church or the supposed
> Coming of a World Teacher to do with Theosophy? The
> basic principles are unaffected by such events. The
> three Fundamental Propositions of the Proem is the
> first volume of The Secret Doctrine and the ideals
> expressed in The Mâhatmâ Letters remain untouched.
> Theosophists are said to have as bond of union a
> common search and aspiration for Truth. We must, then,
> like the research scientist, be prepared to go
> wherever Truth shall lead, even to the most unexpected
> and surprising conclusions. An open mind is essential.
> We do not believe statements because some exalted
> person made them-nor because they are written in some
> scripture. Everything has to be brought to the bar of
> reason, common-sense and experience. Yet an open mind
> should not be an empty or vacant mind . It is
> perfectly consonant with firm convictions, provided we
> are ready to modify them in the light of any future
> knowledge that may come to us. Truth can be neither
> confirmed nor falsified by what we happen to think. If
> an idea is true, disbelief will not make it untrue; if
> it is not true, the sincere belief of millions cannot
> turn fancy into fact."
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