Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00549)

Hi. I do not make a message just for myself. It is always for the other. Any
material I put out is not only for myself, but also for the other. The more
contrast there is, the faster people will learn IF something does not
identify with one side or the other. That's why I see certain people on here
who are attacking me as precious. Whatever they say or do, it is for the
better, as for me something that is compassionate, is outside a drama, which
to some may be pointless, but for me always serves a specific purpose to
further the well-being of as many as possible. At least my motivation is
good, but there is more. If you look at any of my messages very carefully,
you will see there is always at least one major idea there. See below for a
further commentary.

----- Original Message -----
From: <teos9@aol.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: Theos-World The UN sect ! On Theosophy and politics...


> Hi Adelaise,
>
> Assuming, that "the best that they can" is an effort, coincident with a
> period of deep theosophical or other ancient wisdom study, then yes, I
would
> agree that there are some on these lists, that may have "turned the
corner"
> in terms of intuitive understanding. However, my take, on the sort of
> bickering, political or otherwise, that we have been treated to lately, is
> that it is extremely ego (small e) or personality driven. To the extent
that
> those are the characteristics that dominate these messages of late, much
of
> what might have been gained during ones more reflective and productive
> moments seem all but forgotten.
>
> Yes, we are all multidimensional organisms at this point in our
evolutionary
> journey. We all exercise our focused attention along many points along the
> grand spectrum of available consciousness. Love, hate, bliss, lust, pain
and
> sacrifice are just a few of the experiences, that we ALLOW, to occupy our
> attention.

Wry: ALLOW? Or it is JUST HAPPENING? Is yours the fantasy of idealism or is
it physical reality? If I did not make this message, would it be better or
worse for you? What does it mean to be spiritual? Sometimes it is necessary
to say something a certain way. There is no choice. I am not making this
message because of ego. Do you understand that? I will take heat for saying
this. Who knows, I may even get attacked by a bunch of people and get kicked
off this list. That would be sad, and no wants wants to feel sorrow, not
even me, though I guess someone will have to. It is better than being in a
dream world or playing five against one, not that you are necessarily doing
the latter.

Often, in the same day, indeed, sometime within minutes. However
> our Theosophical studies teach us that this root race is at a point where
> Manas has the opportunity for transformation from Kama to Buddhi.

Wry: Everything's always at a certain point, but for an individual
transformation involves either dying to the past (letting go of clinging) or
eating bitters (decrystallization). Krishanmurti, for examples, went through
what he called "the process." which involved horrible suffering, but it was
presumably cleansing. If someone gives me an opportunity to not react, I am
grateful. I would not want to make that person go away, as they are helping
me. The people on this list are helping me, and I am helping them. If not
the latter, at least I am being helped. Sincerely, Wry

> Intuitive aprehension is the guide and must be nurtured at all costs. Long
> drawn out rationalizations run counter to that nurturing effort.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Louis
>
>
> In a message dated 12/15/2002 11:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> adelasie@surfari.net writes:
>
>
> > Hi Louis,
> >
> > You know, I have so often lately thought of the phrase, "We have to
> > start somewhere." Start where we are, I suppose, is what is meant.
> > None of us knows enough to fully understand anything, current events
> > included. But if we are faced with something we can't fathom,
> > especially if it is something that produces an emotional reaction in
> > us, it is always useful to apply the basic principles of theosophy,
> > at whatever level we understand or accept them. If we apply, for
> > instance, some such idea as the traditional Golden Rule, "Do unto
> > others as you would they do unto you," (Christian, yes, but none the
> > less basically true) which is nothing short of a reflection of the
> > unity of all life, many conundrums cease to be so murky. It's all a
> > process, and I am sure that everyone is doing the best they can,
> > whether their efforts seem worthwhile to me or not. In fact, if I
> > don't appreciate someone else's point of view, it is a failure on my
> > part, not theirs. Do I remember this all the time? No way! But all we
> > can do is keep trying and never give up. It's a long and rocky path,
> > but it does have its spectacular rest areas.
> >
> > All the best,
> > Adelasie
> >
> > On 15 Dec 2002 at 5:53, teos9@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > > Right on Adelaise.
> > > Indeed, as Dallas and others on this list have pointed out in so many
> > > ways,
> > > approaching any subject in the mundane world, from a Theosophical
> > > point of view, enhances and deepens the understanding of the
> > > observer/student. The problem seems to be that when one's studies of
> > > the basic tenants of Theosophy are too quick or too shallow, a genuine
> > > transformation in consciousness may not be forthcoming. Failing such
> > > transformation any commentary on the mundane events of world affairs
> > > remain, by definition, mundane itself. Thereby creating the kinds of
> > > opinionated chatter that we have been recently witnessing.
> > >
> > > Best to all,
> > >
> > > Louis
> >
> >
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