Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00564)

Personality and ego driven commentary, is measured by the amount of 
times a writer uses personal opinions and the pronouns I, ME, MINE, 
etc. in their message.The value of such messages is directly 
porpotional to the LACK of these egocentric references. Read your own 
reply to the messages below, this time, counting the opinionated 
statements and personal pronoun usage. Enough said.

Regards,

Louis 


--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, "wry" <wry1111@e...> wrote:
> Hi. I do not make a message just for myself. It is always for the 
other. Any
> material I put out is not only for myself, but also for the other. 
The more
> contrast there is, the faster people will learn IF something does 
not
> identify with one side or the other. That's why I see certain 
people on here
> who are attacking me as precious. Whatever they say or do, it is 
for the
> better, as for me something that is compassionate, is outside a 
drama, which
> to some may be pointless, but for me always serves a specific 
purpose to
> further the well-being of as many as possible. At least my 
motivation is
> good, but there is more. If you look at any of my messages very 
carefully,
> you will see there is always at least one major idea there. See 
below for a
> further commentary.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <teos9@a...>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 10:06 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World The UN sect ! On Theosophy and politics...
> 
> 
> > Hi Adelaise,
> >
> > Assuming, that "the best that they can" is an effort, coincident 
with a
> > period of deep theosophical or other ancient wisdom study, then 
yes, I
> would
> > agree that there are some on these lists, that may have "turned 
the
> corner"
> > in terms of intuitive understanding. However, my take, on the 
sort of
> > bickering, political or otherwise, that we have been treated to 
lately, is
> > that it is extremely ego (small e) or personality driven. To the 
extent
> that
> > those are the characteristics that dominate these messages of 
late, much
> of
> > what might have been gained during ones more reflective and 
productive
> > moments seem all but forgotten.
> >
> > Yes, we are all multidimensional organisms at this point in our
> evolutionary
> > journey. We all exercise our focused attention along many points 
along the
> > grand spectrum of available consciousness. Love, hate, bliss, 
lust, pain
> and
> > sacrifice are just a few of the experiences, that we ALLOW, to 
occupy our
> > attention.
> 
> Wry: ALLOW? Or it is JUST HAPPENING? Is yours the fantasy of 
idealism or is
> it physical reality? If I did not make this message, would it be 
better or
> worse for you? What does it mean to be spiritual? Sometimes it is 
necessary
> to say something a certain way. There is no choice. I am not 
making this
> message because of ego. Do you understand that? I will take heat 
for saying
> this. Who knows, I may even get attacked by a bunch of people and 
get kicked
> off this list. That would be sad, and no wants wants to feel 
sorrow, not
> even me, though I guess someone will have to. It is better than 
being in a
> dream world or playing five against one, not that you are 
necessarily doing
> the latter.
> 
> Often, in the same day, indeed, sometime within minutes. However
> > our Theosophical studies teach us that this root race is at a 
point where
> > Manas has the opportunity for transformation from Kama to Buddhi.
> 
> Wry: Everything's always at a certain point, but for an individual
> transformation involves either dying to the past (letting go of 
clinging) or
> eating bitters (decrystallization). Krishanmurti, for examples, 
went through
> what he called "the process." which involved horrible suffering, 
but it was
> presumably cleansing. If someone gives me an opportunity to not 
react, I am
> grateful. I would not want to make that person go away, as they are 
helping
> me. The people on this list are helping me, and I am helping them. 
If not
> the latter, at least I am being helped. Sincerely, Wry
> 
> > Intuitive aprehension is the guide and must be nurtured at all 
costs. Long
> > drawn out rationalizations run counter to that nurturing effort.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Louis
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/15/2002 11:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> > adelasie@s... writes:
> >
> >
> > > Hi Louis,
> > >
> > > You know, I have so often lately thought of the phrase, "We 
have to
> > > start somewhere." Start where we are, I suppose, is what is 
meant.
> > > None of us knows enough to fully understand anything, current 
events
> > > included. But if we are faced with something we can't fathom,
> > > especially if it is something that produces an emotional 
reaction in
> > > us, it is always useful to apply the basic principles of 
theosophy,
> > > at whatever level we understand or accept them. If we apply, for
> > > instance, some such idea as the traditional Golden Rule, "Do 
unto
> > > others as you would they do unto you," (Christian, yes, but 
none the
> > > less basically true) which is nothing short of a reflection of 
the
> > > unity of all life, many conundrums cease to be so murky. It's 
all a
> > > process, and I am sure that everyone is doing the best they can,
> > > whether their efforts seem worthwhile to me or not. In fact, if 
I
> > > don't appreciate someone else's point of view, it is a failure 
on my
> > > part, not theirs. Do I remember this all the time? No way! But 
all we
> > > can do is keep trying and never give up. It's a long and rocky 
path,
> > > but it does have its spectacular rest areas.
> > >
> > > All the best,
> > > Adelasie
> > >
> > > On 15 Dec 2002 at 5:53, teos9@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right on Adelaise.
> > > > Indeed, as Dallas and others on this list have pointed out 
in so many
> > > > ways,
> > > > approaching any subject in the mundane world, from a 
Theosophical
> > > > point of view, enhances and deepens the understanding of the
> > > > observer/student. The problem seems to be that when one's 
studies of
> > > > the basic tenants of Theosophy are too quick or too shallow, 
a genuine
> > > > transformation in consciousness may not be forthcoming. 
Failing such
> > > > transformation any commentary on the mundane events of world 
affairs
> > > > remain, by definition, mundane itself. Thereby creating the 
kinds of
> > > > opinionated chatter that we have been recently witnessing.
> > > >
> > > > Best to all,
> > > >
> > > > Louis
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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