Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00515)

--- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Larry F Kolts <llkingston2@j...> 
wrote:
> Let's first look at the logic track that Mormons use to get to that
> point.

Bery interesting. I am simply amazed at the stuff people can dream 
up. I will surely die unshriven from the Mormon point of view, but 
what you have said is simply fascinating, nonetheless.

> 
> 1-Elohim told Adam that if he sinned, he would die. That death was 
to be
> two-fold, a physical death or separation of the body and spirit and 
also
> a spiritual death or separation from diety. 
> 
> 2-All me sin, so all men die.
> 
> 3-Jesus came to take the sins of the world upon himself and through 
his
> atonement to overcome death.
> 
> 4-Jesus atonement grants resurrection to all mandkind (a free gift) 
and
> makes possible exaltation (becoming a god) to those believe and 
live the
> commandments
> 
> 5-Jesus organized a church and ordained priesthood holders who 
become His
> representitives on earth. 
> 
> 6- The priesthood was authorized to make covenants between Jesus and
> mankind through symbolic rituals such as baptism, the endowment and
> sealing. 
> 
> 7-Only covenants done these authorized representitives are valid in 
the
> eyes of Jesus. To all others he says "I never knew you" 
> 
> 8-That original church was lost due to the death of the apostles and
> general apostasy.
> 
> 9-the priesthood and church were restored by angels tp Joseph Smith 
and 
> Oliver Cowdery.
> 
> 10-Thus only Mormon priesthood holders can perform valid baptisms
> 
> 11-The justice of god demands that an opportunity needs exist for 
all
> those who died without the chance to be baptised by one having 
authority.
> 
> 12-To this end, Mormons build temples where priesthood holders 
baptize
> others vicariously for those who are dead. 
> 
> 13-The spirits of those who are dead may accept or reject this 
baptism as
> they will, but the opportunity has been given them. 
> 
> 14-The Mormon goal is to perform vicarious baptisms for all who have
> lived. For those for whom no records are now discovered , it is 
believed
> that during the Millenium, those records will somehow be manifested.
> 
> 15-Mormons do this indiscriminately. Not only Jews ahve been 
vicariously
> baptized but also Catholic Popes, Martin Luther, John Calvin, etc.
> 
> 16-The Jews who have opposed this are not being rational. They don't
> understand that from their perspective this is all a bunch of 
nonsense
> and that from the Mormon perspective all that is being done is 
viewed as
> an opportunity which may be rejected and not a done deal
> 
> 17-The names of all those who have been baptized form the basis of 
the
> vast genealogy files which Mormons offer to the world for research. 
So by
> rejecting this work, Jewish names will no longer be found in those 
files,
> a loss for those Jews who might want to compile their ancestry.
> 
> 18-It's not clear to me whether the names are just not going to be 
listed
> or if indeed the work will be invalidated. The latter seems 
somewhat not
> likely as Mormons would hold that their obligation is to all 
mankind as
> individuals and not to any group. But I'm not party to that kind of
> inside information any longer. 
> 
> A little long winded, by neccesary to see the whole picture.
> 
> Larry
> 
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