Theos-Talk Archives (December 2002 Message tt00329)

Hi Mic. The message below is the original message I wrote. I made it from my intelligence, my heart, and my conscience. It was not aimed at Paul (though I guess I can see why he might think it was, after the recent mistaking by me of Paul for Brian debacle out here). I wasn't even thinking of Paul when I made this message, which I am glad I made. It was an important message to make. I do not consider it aggressive and mean, but loving. I am from the honey-makers and this is the way we make honey to put on your bread. I was trained to do this since the age of two, but I cannot disclose the dynamics of how this occurred and how I so fortunately came to be a member of this most secret society. 

Paul responded to my message with a weird accusation that it was what he called a "fourth-way" message, and I believe he even capitalized the words "fourth-way." He also said my message was inappropriate for this list. That fact is, that message was very appropriate for this list, and I did exercise extraordinarily good judgement in making it. Also, I do not know what Gurdjieff group Paul is from, but I was afraid people would think I am from his group, and I had to make it clear that I am not. Sorry to say this, Paul. Hope it is not too harsh, but I speak my true feelings. Maybe if people thought this, it would be my just recompense for saying Paul was Brian. but I have already apologized for this and left a second message saying I would discuss it more in the future and explain where I was coming from and how I came to this conclusion, and I will, when the time is appropriate, though now I am getting concerned that this very interesting message I am planning might be too upsetting to some of the people on here, so I will have to rethink where I am going with this and if it is for the greater good. 

I believe my response to Paul was a good one and it cut a lot of grease. It may have been a little harsh, but he is a big boy, and maybe he even learned something from it. If you think "the words from Paul's email server" about fourth-way groups "are probably the most sensible" you "have ever read," then I am dumbfounded and flabbergasted. I will tell you that I am using much greater diplomacy and restraint than you realize in making my messages. Your political quibbling, which went on for SOOOOO long was most offensive to me and I almost left this list. The arguing part I didn't mind, but there was little content in your material. To me it was a waste and kept real learning from going on. On the other hand, my messages are at least intended to be packed with interesting, helpful ideas and content and are always made with the well-being of the whole group in mind. Some day, maybe a few years down the road for some, people will have an understanding and thank me, little Wry, for planting a certain kind of special seed. 

And people change in relationship to my material. .Paul has left me a private email saying how much he learned about himself from the experience of my mistaking him for Brian, and look at Bill. One moment is reacting and full of anger, but after a message from me in response, he has now left me a message, which, though maybe still a reaction, is in the form of a benign parody that is charming, funny and downright appealing. He has even become my publicity agent (just kidding Bill,) 

So remember to bring your salt shaker with you, like Bill so wonderfully did, just in case anything strikes you as unnecessarily harsh the next time you read my material. Very best wishes to you, who at least inspired me to make my now famous wave-point message about the fourth dimension, which has changed my whole life by putting me on the right track, and is starting to affect the lives of many others. Please reread my original (in more ways than one) message below. Sincerely, Wry

What is meaningful to one is not meaningful to another because what is meaningful is based on the conditioned mind, which is developed as a movement away from pain toward pleasure. Perhaps when we become more objective we will find a common meaning. Different people have different tastes in reading. To me, discussing peoples tastes and preferences in reading is not meaningful as there is little if any constructive information to be received from it, though I was surprised to find the that many people are spending their time reading material that to me is low quality and simplistic. 

That is o.k., though. What saddens me is that many people on here do not seem interested in using a wonderful opportunity such as being in this group to create a special force that will give us the focus and the courage to not fritter our lives away in mechanical chatter. The day is not even over yet and I have already received thirty-two emails (ten with little if any content from one cutesy (to others, perhaps, but not to me) person, and this is not making my day more beautiful. 

There needs to be a certain kind and quality of suffering, which is conscious and not mechanical, to decrystalize karmic formations. If this is not a possibility, if it is too hard, then there needs to be a dedication to create an atmosphere where deep enquiry can flourish and where inspiration can be sparked. 

There too much ordinary life stuff on here to suit my personal taste, though obviously others do not feel the same. Interesting and intelligent messages are watered down and weakened in affect by arguing, political messages, and drivel. This is not o.k. I love you, but I do not like your behavior. 

If a such a thing as a "living master" exists, and he were to come to our group, he would not stay here and work with us. But this is only my opinion, a little person from the honey-makers, and who am I to say? Maybe I am wrong. There is a saying, "from the manure pile grows a rose." But there are people on the internet who are SO serious. This does not mean that they do not have a good laugh occasionally and roast each other with wonderful witty jokes, but they know when to stop and get down to important business. In the meantime, There is WAR and people are getting tortured and burned up. Please do not forget. The amount of human suffering is virtually inconceivable. Do not pretend it will go away when you wish. Reading cheap fiction is one thing, but talking about it is another. It will rob us of any dim possibility we may have of ever learning how to wish. To believe otherwise is a grave "self" deceit. Turn the rock over and see what is under it. 

SO, if you read the bible, you could be an ignorant fundamentalist who takes sophisticated allegorical material on a literal level, or you could be a person of great wisdom who has unlocked some of the many keys and secrets contained in this extraordinary and magnificent book, but I do not know which person you are by you telling me you have read this or that book. I know you by your ACTS, as you know me by my ACTS, and by our ACTS we will be known. Sincerely, Wry


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