Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00534)

Dear Friends:

Can we not say that ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS are unified, as a necessity, for
their presence.

It is up to the embodied mind (Lower Manas -- our brain-mind) to
apprehend them?

Their essential qualities are WISDOM UNIVERSAL, the concentrated
result of experience, and the ability to weigh the information from
these two sources with the circumstances of daily life (returning
Karma) that confront us as embodied minds in our daily "here and
now?"

Dal

===========================

-----Original Message-----
From: gschueler
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 10:14 AM
To: Theosophy
Subject: Re to Tim


<<<<Enlightenment consists of first unifying atma, manas and buddhi,
then
transcending these to the nondual monad. (would love more explanation
on how
this is done) Normally it takes seven lifetimes as a human to do this,
but it
can be done quicker using certain spiritual methods.>>>

As to the need for seven lifetimes, Who is counting? Seven is symbolic
not
literal.

Very briefly: One begins with one-pointed meditation until manas is
transcended. The atma-buddhi monad (which is not a nondual monad) is
our
Spiritual Self or Higher Self, and if we unite with it and identify
with it
then we enter nirvana and become a nirvanee. But this is not our goal.

The goal is to raise consciousness to atma-buddhi and then bring in
manas so
that the three act together. You are right, this triad is still in
maya, and
must be transcended to the nondual monad; doing this is called
entering
paranirvana.

***********************************

<<<Just for the sake of conversation:
I agree with the metaphysical part of this. I agree that there are
seven basic
substances. I don't like the idea of the monadic ray, largely because
I think
there are simpler explanations for why these substances exist in
different
states. My opinion is that there's really one substance vibrating at
different
rates which causes these different substances. >>>

OK, but then, Where did that "one substance" come from? Actually,
Theosophy
teaches that matter and spirit are two aspects of the same basic
substance, so
Theosophy is saying that you are correct, there is just one
substance -- the
so-called anima mundi.

The "monadic ray" is not a substance, is neither physical or
spiritual, and is
used in Theosophy's creation model as a way of explaining how the
nondual
Monad can create or self-manifest into a dualistic manvantaric
universe. When
we try to conceptualize the ineffable, we often get into trouble.

**************************


CUT