Theos-Talk Archives (November 2002 Message tt00204)

IMO Leadbetter is just as he was characterised in "Madame Blavatsky's 
Baboon." I think that HPB had as little to do with him as possible. 
Now, what Besant had to do with him is another story. 

She was said to be under his mesmeric control. He was her swengali. I 
don't know, was not there, but do know that she was/is power crazy 
and everytime I read (in ODL) how Olcott helped her and said all 
those wonderful things about her powers as a speaker and her wisdom 
etc. I get mad. Of course all this happened after HPB died. But here 
was a woman (red Annie) looking for roots and she found them in the 
perverted (according to Western morays) boy-lusting of Leadbetter. 
Now, she did do a good thing: she found Krishnamurti, the boy wonder, 
and tried to make of him a god. But he rejected it, you know the 
story. As for Leadbetter: I know he was into little boys, and the 
astral world, but they (the Adyar TS) apparently have made of the 
dude a god. I understand that Germans are very tolerant of 
homosexuality. Does this play a role here in their attitude toward 
Leadbetter? 

I hope you are speaking only for this group. As I was involved with a 
TS group in Chicago, and they were strange too. They did not study 
HPB's teachings!! They were mostly a group of highly intelligent, 
articulate, African Americans. But they were atheists in a great way 
and believed in the Buddhists and TS notion that "there is no such 
thing as a personal God or deity." But I enjoyed my stay with them. 

PS: I think (Leadbetter along with most original TS members) he too 
became a Satsangi. Oh well...

Netemara

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--- In theos-talk@y..., "Frank Reitemeyer" <dhyana@w...> wrote:
> Dallas writes:
> permit me to observe that Mr. Leadbeater was not (to my knowledge) 
of
> H P B's circle in Avenue Rd., and when she returned from her 
vacation
> 
> Quite right. Leadbeater was only a member of the Blavatsky lodge in 
the much
> fraudolent, twisted and misleading Leadbeater hagiography of Mr 
Peter
> Michel. Actually, he was a member of the London lodge, but this 
little
> intermix is rather irrelevant if you the author of a "biography".
> And that HPB signed and gifted the first copy of the Voice to CWL 
is also a
> bigot wish of the Leadbeater fanatic.
> The first documentary proof of the faked chela story I have found 
so far in
> the supplement of The Theosophist of Sept. 1923, p. 14, where Annie 
Besant
> spreads this deliberate lie. But that is of course not much 
surprising for
> anyone who had ever personally contact with the black magic pseudo
> theosophists from the Adyar "TS". I ahve attended their 100th 
German section
> anniversary in July, 2002, in Berlin, with Radha Burnier present. 
In over
> 100 years they have learned not one jota. The Masters still fly 
through the
> room and looking into the lower astral world and develop lower 
siddhis is
> still recommended.
> Also - under my frequent protest - a portrait of Leadbeater was 
presented
> over the whole week in the line of the TS presidents.
> Here you have the answer with what sort of people you have to do 
here.
> But attention: Any doubt and any criticism on their fanatical and 
phantastic
> claims - and your are kicked off and accusted to be unbrotherly and
> untheosophically. You are only a good theosophist when you believe 
all lies!
> Truth is unbrotherly and disharmony!
> Therefore the new motto of Adyar should be: There is no harmony 
higher than
> a good lie!
> Frank