Theos-Talk Archives (July 2002 Message tt00162)

Morten: "The following from the above page are putting
LaRouche's efforts in a more strong light :

Thanks for your thoughtful comments. The citation you
give from Larouche shows that he is a conspiracy
theorist, which makes it hard to derive much from his
writing. He combines statements which are certainly
true (J. Edgar Hoover was a dangerous man) with
nonsense and slipshod logic, so that it is difficult
to derive any reliable information from him. No,
there is no credible evidence that King was shot by
anyone but James Earl Ray. The fact that he survived
(which Oswald did not) shows that.

Larouche, quoted by Morten: "[55] If you think
seriously about the matter, Martin Luther King was the
person best qualified, personally, to become President
in 1968, and should have become President, had he
lived, in 1972 or 1976.

He might have had a good shot by 1980 but 1972 was the
wrong time for a King Presidential bid IMO.

Larouche, quoted by Morten: "He had proven his
capability of pulling most of the nation together for
the purpose of justice for all of the people, a rare
quality among candidates of the recent three decades."

That is what he did not have. He was certainly a
leader, but his appeal was not as broad as JFK's or
LBJ's.

Morten: "Nixon ? just make you laugh when
compared....>:?) ("I am no crook !")

Yes, people have been making fun of that line for
years.

Morten: "But this website although interesting is not
quite following King's ideas on non?voilence!

Actually, those were Gandhi's ideas. One of King's
sayings was: "Christ gave me the message, Gandhi gave
me the method."

Morten: "What about some honest UN?meetings on the
world?religions role in the world of politics and
greed? 

I have not noticed that religious leaders are free
from greed. A priest novelist named Greeley once
categorized his own employer (the cardinals of the RC
church) as "heirs to 2,000 years of corruption." The
Palestinians are being oppressed in the name of a
religion which deserves better than to be used that
way INO. OBL is using another religion to turn people
into murderers. Starting with the Jim Bakker and
Jimmy Swaggart scandals, various hokey preachers have
been exposed for what they really are right and left. 
For awhile there it seemed as if every clown with a
minicam who could say "Hallelujah" without laughing
out loud was ordaining himself. I am not sure you can
expect much from that quarter based on past
performance.

Morten: "I can of course not really agree with
LaRouche ? because I am a hardcore Theosophist. But
there is certainly some issues of his, which deserves
closer attention

Yes, and the problem with Larouche is, you never know
when the bullshit ends and the truth begins or vice
versa. That is why I would prefer to learn from
someone else more reputable. I am open to the
possibility that Rothschild financed the Holocaust,
for example, (his ancestors financed the war against
Napoleon, even though Napoleon emancipated the Jews)
but would not believe this just because some character
like Larouche says so. I would have to see something
more credible than that. With all the reputable
historians in the world it makes no sense to pay the
conspiracy theorists any mind.

Morten: "What do the readers have on the "Dugpas" (the
negative forces) of today in certain political and
financial cirlces ?

Slobodan is in custody in Holland. The Commandant of
Unit 101 is still free, but political dugpas generally
seem to be temporarily in retreat. There has been a
long term trend toward more democratic and benevolent
government. There were no more than half a dozen
democracies in the world in 1914.

Morten: "Are there Clairvoyants employed in different
national "Intelligence" circles ?

The CIA was actually experimenting with that at one
time, supposedly.

Morten: "You probably know H. P. Blavatsky several
times stated, that one shouldn't underestimate the
work of the Dugpa's and their existence.

I never have understood that since the Dugpas are a
Buddhist sect in Bhutan who have produced numerous
saints.

Morten: "A new Congress ? with 3 parties would do
better than the present one.

There is a Libertarian Party but they are very small. 
The two dozen or so others are much smaller.

You may remember Pat Paulsen ran for President a few
years ago as a write in candidate. His campaign
slogan was "We Can't Stand Pat!" Sounds good to me,
but unfortunately the voters took that slogan the
wrong way. I think I am the only one who voted for
him. Woody Allen never runs anymore, so I can't find
a candidate I like.

--- Morten Sufilight <global-theosophy@adslhome.dk>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all of you,
> 
> Thanks Frank for your email.
> I read with interest the link :
>
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/lar_bad_guy_2710.html
> 
> Some views:
> 
> The following from the above page are putting
> LaRouche's efforts in a more strong light :
> 
> "Traditionally, as the case of the assassination of
> a J. Edgar Hoover-targetted Martin Luther King
> attests,[55] oligarchies and their menial lackeys do
> not wait until an insolent specimen becomes a
> serious threat to the oligarchy's arrangements, as
> Presidential pre-candidate Robert Kennedy did; the
> oligarchs tend to order them killed before they
> might have the chance to develop, to become a
> serious threat. With the oligarchs and their
> lackeys, that is partly a matter of instinct: the
> instinct to kill what they dislike. Among cleverer
> managers of the political herd, there is a more
> cultivated motive for such killings and kindred
> enterprises in culling the popular herd."
> 
> And [55] :
> 
> "[55] If you think seriously about the matter,
> Martin Luther King was the person best qualified,
> personally, to become President in 1968, and should
> have become President, had he lived, in 1972 or
> 1976. He had proven his capability of pulling most
> of the nation together for the purpose of justice
> for all of the people, a rare quality among
> candidates of the recent three decades."
> 
> 
> This calls for some afterthought. I think so because
> of the time 1968, King and his very special
> situation, and the religious-political manner in
> which he acted.......King had rare qualities
> indeed...
> 
> Nixon - just make you laugh when compared....>:-)
> ("I am no crook !")
> Try read King's Vietnam speech ! Well, try....
> http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/45a/058.html
> (Speech)
>
http://www.therationalradical.com/dsep02/01/martin-king.htm
> (Speeches and quotes - making it clear, that King
> was also aiming at the economics of USA and other
> countries. But this website although interesting is
> not quite following King's ideas on non-voilence!)
>
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2217/mlk.htm
> (Try for instance Real Player - audio - with 
> "Beyond Vietnam" - at the bottom of the page. - The
> online text above has been edited.)
> 
> Here is an excerpt from King's speech: 
> "I am convinced that if we are to get on the right
> side of the world revolution, we as a nation must
> undergo a radical revolution of values. We must
> rapidly begin the shift from a "thing-oriented"
> society to a "person-oriented" society. When
> machines and computers, profit motives and property
> rights are considered more important than people,
> the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and
> militarism are incapable of being conquered. " 
> (beyond Vietnam 4th april 1967;) (Exactly - one year
> later he was shot, april 4th 1968).
> (A personal remark: My big sister and one of her
> daughters have birthday on april 4th.)
> 
> I wonder what the US-congress of today have on this
> excerpt. Even EU-countries and other countries could
> learn form this. 
> What about some honest UN-meetings on the
> world-religions role in the world of politics and
> greed ? 
> 
> I can of course not really agree with LaRouche -
> because I am a hardcore Theosophist. But there is
> certainly some issues of his, which deserves closer
> attention - while we carry on our work for peace.
> Especially the peace-issues...
> 
> Politicians of today are not doing strong enough
> efforts to deal with this very dangerous or
> problematic issue 'peace'. And even Religious
> leaders are doing almost nothing.
> God know's where such a situation will lead
> everyone....
> And the media's - Tv's and Newspapers --- are
> hilarious.
> 
> The Internet is better. Where that will lead the
> young coming politicians, we can only guess. Try
> this one on this:
>
http://www.euractiv.com/cgi-bin/cgint.exe/1266977-431?targ=1&204&OIDN=1503733&-home=home
> (At the july 2002 Youth EU-Convention-meeting a
> group condemmed EU for certain issues :
> "One quarter of the Youth Convention members signed
> a protest memorandum, condemning the Youth
> Convention as "unrepresentative and undemocratic"
> due to the way it elected its leadership. This group
> claims that Youth Convention was dominated by the
> Youth Forum, who has the Presidium and the majority
> of the Youth Convention members. The dissident group
> warned that the Youth Convention has "limited
> legitimacy" and is "unrepresentative of the young
> people of Europe". " )
> That adults arranged it to be undemocratic - just
> shows the state of affairs.
> 
> It is good to know, that the Masters exists and that
> the Avatar-principle exists. It is good to know,
> that the masters and the avatar or avatar-principle
> are not fooled so easily.
> There are really spiritual forces at play - also in
> the political areas.
> 
> What do the readers have on the "Dugpas" (the
> negative forces) of today in certain political and
> financial cirlces ?
> Are there Clairvoyants employed in different
> national "Intelligence" circles ? 
> (The US-Senate seems interested in ESP and
> parapsychology - while they grant money for research
> etc.)
> 
> You probably know H. P. Blavatsky several times
> stated, that one shouldn't underestimate the work of
> the Dugpa's and their existence.
> 
> I will have to say, that if a proper number of
> people would build up - a religious-political agenda
> - backing the ideas of Martin Luther King Jr. this
> Planet would feel more comfortable. A new Congress -
> with 3 parties would do better than the present one.
> Or maybe a more Theosophical agenda could do the
> trick ?
> But I am not sure, that this would be the best
> solution. People have a tendency to learn or react
> slowly on this planet.
> 
> Non-voilence pays !
> And Wall-Street hearing it - shake all over.
> 
> Run for Avatar-hood !
> 
> The above are just views among many.
> 
> Feel free to comment...
> 
> from
> M. Sufilight with peace and love...
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Frank Reitemeyer" <dhyana@web.de>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 3:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Germany: to protect or not
> to protect?
> 
> 
> > Steve:
> > It may not be apparent from Germany, but Lyndon
> Larouche is a well known nut
> > case.
> > 
> > Bart:
> > And felon; he spent time in jail for credit card
> fraud.
> > 
> > 
> > Frank:
> > COMPARE this with LaRouche's side of the story and
> how the US Nazi
> > establishment tried to assassinate him at:
> > 
> >
>
http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/2000/lar_bad_guy_2710.html
> > 
> >
>
http://www.schillerinstitute.org/exon/ramseyclark_ltr_95.html
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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