Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00200)

Frank:

An interesting and provocative thesis. It should be
said in the interest of fairness and accuracy that a
distinction is made between the larger Jewish
community in that time and the Zionists, who were not
as popular as they are today. The Zionists served
their own interests by getting in bed with Hitler,
Henry Ford, and other antiSemites, but they clearly
did not serve the interests of the larger Jewish
community, or not in Europe anyway. I found another
book offered by amazon which says Ben Gurion and other
leaders tried to cover all this up after the war. I
just got through watching a documentary on CNN about
the Commandant of Unit 101. It does not appear there
were any good guys in this drama, nor were there any
innocents among the leadership class.

--- Frank Reitemeyer <dhyana@web.de> wrote:
> Bart, the co-operation was of early of 1933, the
> year of Hitler's
> empowerment.
> 
> When behind closed doors the Haavara agreement was
> signed by the Jews and
> Hitler for the public eyes there was a big fight
> (reminds me on the cold
> war! really so cold?)
> In USA Henry Ford was drumming (since the early
> 1920's) against the Jews (to
> make them ready to leave for the Holy land?
> Surprisingly this notorious
> anti-semite was rewarded by the Bnai Brith Lodge in
> London in 1942 (or 44,
> writing from memory, but before end of the war) with
> a nice medal. Why? For
> what?
> Some weeks after Hitler empowerment the New York
> Jewish pressure groups
> started mass campaigns in Central Park and called
> for boycott of the German
> goods. Hitler in turn ordered to boycott the Jewish
> shops in Germany.
> The Jews of the world declared in the world press
> War to Germany. Hitler in
> turn began persecution.
> Could it be that BOTH SIDES followed A SINGLE PLAN?
> 
> It was later (after the Olympic Games in 1936 in
> Berlin - 1940 should have
> been the next Games again in Berlin after Japan
> stepped down), around 1937
> (writing from memory) when the Nazi settlements in
> Palestine were stopped by
> the British (Churchill spoke the same about the Jews
> as Hitler and also from
> the early 1920's).
> British ships blocked the SS steamers and so the
> Palestine project came to
> an end.
> Next Hitler brought the Madagaskar plan to Paris,
> London and Washington, but
> the Jewish World Congress (or its forerunner) did
> not want it
> (understandable from their point of view).
> Next Hitler planned to found an extra Jewish
> republic in the Soviet Union
> and built for that plan big concentration camps
> (I limit myself to this early motive regardless what
> later have or have not
> happened with this camps).
> It was during that period that no country was
> willing to take the Jews, even
> Roosevelt's USA ordered his marine to stop the SS
> steamers far away from the
> east cost.
> 
> BTW, Nicosia quotes from an Jewish Irgun Zwai Le'umi
> offer of Jan. 11, 1941
> (!) to the German goverment to continue
> co-operation...
> 
> That the Pius case is today called a compromise is
> understandable. Who of
> today wants to be regarded as the best buddy of
> Hitler? I think that all
> powers were eager to get as much for themselves and
> had Hitler won the war I
> am quite sure they would not call it a compromise.
> In fact, the co-operation
> with the Vatican was very close and in no way only a
> compromise.
> It may have turned later on. From 1937 on the Nazi
> press made big campaign
> against the Jesuits - this may indicate that there
> were problems arising.



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