Theos-Talk Archives (June 2002 Message tt00130)

Hi Dallas and all,

A view:
Dallas wrote: "No, I do not answer a question with another to be "cute." "
My anwser to Dallas: Well Dallas I am cute. Well at least I like to think so. It is just to bad, that you - as you seem to say - are not <:-)

Dallas wrote:
"No one can dictate a single procedure to anyone. Neither to a group,
> nor to an individual. If that is done their "free-will" may be
> impaired. Recommendations for individual consideration are valuable,
> and if given without coercion, they can be adopted after scrutiny.
> The individual scrutiny is creative and analytically applied in the
> interests of accuracy, impartiality, and universality."

My answer to Dallas: "None is dictating anyone here. I am protesting against - political corruption and so did HPB. That is what I am doing. You it seems obvoiusly are interested in doing just NOTHING towards corruption. I encouraged readers to 'do matter' and 'do mind' and do something against corruption and political corruption - and that is political lawmakers. And I show that HPB did that by protesting in her article "Is Theosophy a RELIGION?" and she also did it elsewhere. And Dallas seems in his email to be almostnot interested in doing anything all about it."

Dallas wrote:
"This, the providing of rules and regulations, is the basis for all
> sects and political parties. It has a limited use, but the Karmic
> responsibility assumed by the "originator," the "leader," the "chief,"
> the "President," etc... is always a great one. Prophets of the TRUE
> alone assume this responsibility with a knowledge of the "GOOD" that
> can be derived by individuals, who assume thereafter a self-induced
> decision to apply for themselves the independent study of the laws and
> rules of GREAT NATURE."

My answer to Dallas: "Well Dallas that is just an opinion. It is maybe true, and maybe not."

Dallas wrote:
"This is why BROTHERHOOD is emphasized. In fact when all is resolved
> to fundamental basics, that is the only way for cooperative life.
> Assistance is the normal method of inter-service that the Universe
> expects us to abide by. We have to learn to act as IMMORTALS in a
> vast field of co-existing and interacting IMMORTALS. It is a vast
> brotherhood, whether we recognize and like it, or not.
> 
> This is what I have learned from Theosophy. I hope this will be of
> help to others if there will consider and see if it is reasonable."

My Answer to Dallas: "But Dallas if you see your child do something bad. Then you tell the child, what is bad and what not. And politicians and even socalled christian politicians who make prayer in their church just before killing muslims - should also be adressed if they do something wrong. Because if not, bad actions continues."

Both Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr. did that - they protested. 
And both were killed !
Is it so, that you Dallas think that both Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.did wrong ???

Just to inform - my email has the title: "Theos-World Re: Question, that tricks us...opinions ?".

To anyone on the list: Feel free to comment.


from
Sufilight with peace and love...







 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: "AA-B-Study" <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Re: Question, that tricks us...opinions ?


> June 23 2002
> 
> Dear Friend:
> 
> No, I do not answer a question with another to be "cute."
> 
> I recognize that it is only be mutual exchanges, by "conference,' that
> any advance, individually, can be achieved.
> 
> Look at our educational experience. We have been all, successively
> placed in a school medium at some time. We have been placed in a
> series of progressive classes where knowledge is made available to us
> in steps. We are expected to remember a good deal of that as data.
> So our minds are "stretched' and taught, by one method or another, to
> amass memories and to sharpen and improve them. There are few courses
> that are designed to tell us how to use this mass of facts.
> 
> Learning to THINK is a part of education that induces logic and
> discrimination to develop as faculties we can use to process the facts
> we have received.
> 
> Let look at the divisions of classes we are given:
> 
> DATA: History, Geography, our Language as grammar, The Science of
> Observation, Physiology and Anatomy, Chemistry, Physics, Engineering,
> Astronomy, rules and facts that are always provable and invariable.,
> etc...
> 
> THINK ABOUT: all subjects that employ Creativity, and individual
> effort as an essential to development -- such as : Mathematics,
> Geometry, Music, Art, Logic, Ethics, Discovery, Writing, Painting,
> Drawing, Interpretive arts, etc.... Add here the most essential
> capacity, and the will to review all DATA and given Facts, for the
> securing of a personal assurance of their truth and accuracy.
> 
> It seems to me always imperative and most important, at all stages, to
> recognize that:
> 
> No one can dictate a single procedure to anyone. Neither to a group,
> nor to an individual. If that is done their "free-will" may be
> impaired. Recommendations for individual consideration are valuable,
> and if given without coercion, they can be adopted after scrutiny.
> The individual scrutiny is creative and analytically applied in the
> interests of accuracy, impartiality, and universality.
> 
> This, the providing of rules and regulations, is the basis for all
> sects and political parties. It has a limited use, but the Karmic
> responsibility assumed by the "originator," the "leader," the "chief,"
> the "President," etc... is always a great one. Prophets of the TRUE
> alone assume this responsibility with a knowledge of the "GOOD" that
> can be derived by individuals, who assume thereafter a self-induced
> decision to apply for themselves the independent study of the laws and
> rules of GREAT NATURE.
> 
> Loyalty in any human mind, invariably has to be a matter of
> free-self-determination. Choice and motive are the inner tools that
> every one of us, men-minds have to develop and use. They are innate
> to all of us without exception.
> 
> Many think that have to be "loyal." True, it is a fine quality. But
> discrimination demands we find out exactly what we are devoting our
> LOYALTY to. Our Karma develops from self-choice. Choice springs from
> MOTIVE. And motive is always a matter of individual responsibility
> and its consequent KARMA -- which is either destructive and "evil,"
> or, constructive, and "good."
> 
> Let us suppose that we think we are ignorant. We will not be able to
> know the extent of our ignorance until we sit down and mediate on what
> we know and what our innate powers are. What is our Will ? Where
> does it reside? How does it work ? A recognition of areas of
> ignorance implies there is in us something that is not at all
> ignorant, and further, has the tools (mental tools) to use to find
> TRUTH and FACTS.
> 
> We have in general two choices:
> 
> 1. The decision to remain ignorant, and seek for some kind of a group
> or society, political party or church -- and try to shed our
> responsibility by accepting and devoting ourselves to following the
> rules and regulations they have set up ( are they really practiced ?)
> by such a group, or,
> 
> 2. Independently finding out what our own nature and capacities are.
> 
> And in this search, we either assume we are either:
> 
> 1. transcient and evanescent mortals bound to the limitations of our
> present body and personality, (which disappears at death) or,
> 
> 2. we perceive within ourselves that we are fragments of the IMMORTAL
> DIVINE and UNIVERSAL ONE SELF. If we can perceive the justice and
> reasonableness of this, then we KNOW that we have the "god-like"
> powers to choose and to know the TRUTH of all things, and to
> appreciate (after discovery) : IDEALS.
> 
> This is what THEOSOPHY as a philosophy that is scientific, logical and
> religious does for each and every one who decides to become a THINKER.
> We learn to integrate our IMPERISHABLE SELF with that of the world we
> live in, and take active responsibility for what we do, in using our
> representative: the "embodied mind," in continuing to use rote and
> custom.
> 
> We discover by self-examination, whether the "rote" and the "customs"
> we live by, are good, fair and impersonally impartial, -- valuable
> equally for others as for ourselves. We learn to accurately
> discriminate between virtue that is "all-loving" and all-giving," and
> vice, which is selfish, acquisitive, impatient, authoritarian, proud,
> etc... --- all restrictive powers and attitudes of isolation, that
> divide us from our fellows.
> 
> The Rules and Laws of Nature can be shown to be universally impartial,
> and, are always cooperative. They are the basis for all growth in
> intelligence of the consciousness that is always resident in each
> "form" or "personal being."
> 
> Therefore, and since the method of instruction that NATURE adopts
> uniformly, is by means of self-determination, we increasingly learn to
> use the position that we can "stand on our own feet." and we grant
> always in action and decision, the right to others to do likewise. We
> act as though justice and freedom rules the Universe, and we expect
> others to know this, and do likewise.
> 
> This is why BROTHERHOOD is emphasized. In fact when all is resolved
> to fundamental basics, that is the only way for cooperative life.
> Assistance is the normal method of inter-service that the Universe
> expects us to abide by. We have to learn to act as IMMORTALS in a
> vast field of co-existing and interacting IMMORTALS. It is a vast
> brotherhood, whether we recognize and like it, or not.
> 
> This is what I have learned from Theosophy. I hope this will be of
> help to others if there will consider and see if it is reasonable.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Dallas
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mor Sufi
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:14 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: Question, that tricks us...opinions ?
> 
> 
> Hi Dallas and all of you,
> 
> A view:
> 
> 
> Well Dallas now you did it again answering my question with questions
> of your own.
> The below answer of yours isn't really an answer.
> To put it short you are sort of saying : Act wise.
> 
> I you read the email you answered you will certainly see, that you
> didn't really answer my questions. Well, in fact - not at all.
> 
> So do matter and do mind.
> And allright act wisely, but let us do our best.
> And not as now, do really almost nothing at all on the issues
> mentioned in my below email.
> Well, do something towards corruption and also towards - political
> corruption.
> 
> Ghandi did something.
> Do your very best.
> But always help and never hurt, and at least seek not to hurt if you
> can't help.
> 
> To all of you: Feel free to comment on the issues and do your best.
> 
> 
> from
> Sufi
> 
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