Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00076)

Thank you for your candid response. May I also be so candid?

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 1:25 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World how does theosophy explain 'disgust'?


> Tuesday, February 05, 2002
>
> Dear Bill:
>
> I offer you my opinion: Yes, I am disgusted.
>
Is this disgust something that you take pride in? Is it a feeling that you
recommend I cultivate an appetite for as well? Shall I be disgusted at the
same things and people as you or may I have a choice? My central question
is whether Theosophy, as you understand it, allows for, or possibly even
demands that we adopt a posture of disgust with those people and ideas that
oppose it. You, of all people on this list, are most inclined to
continually offer what Theosophy is and Theosophy says as 'proof' of
something. I ask you again. What does Theosophy, as you understand it, say
about 'disgust'? And I ask again, if your disgust is at ideas contained in
e-mails, or the people who write such e-mails?


> As I understand it this group was established to discuss
> Theosophy, and not the character of people associated with it.

As I understand it this group was established to discuss theosophy with a
small t. The particular brand of theosophy that you give your allegiance to
is discussed most effectively on the BN lists, where moderator's keep
'students' from straying too far from the established doctrines. I also am
quite certain that you have no problem with discussing the character of
people associated with theosophy, so long as the discussion proceeds along
the lines that you have come to accept as representative of the true
character of the people associated with it. I mean if Adelasie
characterizes HPB as a saint, do you have a problem with that?

> And certainly not to have character association served up daily.
> This is undignified.

Yes it is extremely undignified. It is more so when the one doing the
character association (I assume you mean assassination) seems so unaware of
his actions. I quote you again: "I have not been reading fully the posts
by Brigitte or Paul Johnson -- they disgust me." Dallas, can you not see
that your words reflect that characteristic which you despise most in your
'enemy'?

>
> People who write history and expect respect, of the kind that
> gives stature to a writer for perhaps the next 100 years, do not
> reopen exploded slanders settled and disposed of a 100 years ago,
> unless some overlooked novelty has emerged. I am annoyed, and
> frankly, disgusted by the jejune and baseless beating of "dead
> horses."


Yes, I know you are. My question is why? Do you see yourself as a
'protector' of some previously agreed upon truth? Is it possible that the
horse is not so dead as you think? Possible, but not probable, as Daniel
would say?
The horse may be a decaying carcass to you, but it may be a high spirited
thorough bred challenging ride to others.

> In cases where I find no "level field" is provided, I protest in
> the name of fairness to all. Both sides of any issue need
> exposure to provide balance, and fairness. That is appreciated,
> recognized, and provides dignity and stature.
>

I accept that you actually believe that you are promoting a level field that
recognizes and appreciates balance and fairness to all. Some of your words
say different.
You promote disgust for those who openly oppose your understanding of truth.
You promote ignoring that which disagrees with your precepts. You promote
an "us against them" condition which is an artificial construct of your own
intellect. You could choose to respond in a different manner, but you
don't.

> If any one wants to ascertain if there is validity in THEOSOPHY,
> let them study it as a philosophy, as an hypothesis concerning
> the formation of the Universe and our world, on the nature of man
> as an intelligence, on universal purposiveness, and the reason
> for our being here, and then, report on their findings, or raise
> questions.
>

What does theosophy say is our reason for being here?
Why has this current incarnation brought us all together in this cyber
format? Why are you and me and the KPJs and Brigittes of the world
attracted to each other? Have they been with us from life to life. Why?
Of course Karma is a word that proposes to explain why, but really only
offers a theory on how. Why Dallas? You are older and wiser than me. Why
do the e-mails from Paul Johnson and Mauri show up on your computer screen
day after day? If they disgust you, why haven't you blocked them? Is it
possible that you secretly enjoy the 'fight' to preserve HPB's rendition of
theosophy?

> For instance, here are some subjects being currently discussed
> and which others, and I, have been seeking answers for:
>
> Is there actual immortality? Is it possible this is in
> "invisible Nature and invisible Man ?"
> Do Law and Laws rule the Universe?
> Is there any Goal for evolution?
> What is the power of thought? How is it developed? Where does
> it lead?
> Is a single life adequate to learn all that can be known about
> our environment, ourselves and our potential future?
> Who (or what) runs the world and our Universe? Are we privileged
> to inquire into that ?
> What are the limits of Space?
> What are the ultimate divisions of Time?
> Is eternity a fact or just a "very long time?"
> How is Consciousness to be defined?
> Is Universal Brotherhood a fact in nature or only a wispy dream?
> Why study other religions and sciences?
> Where is the research of human endeavor recorded?
> Who keeps those records?


Sorry Dallas, but this is not a list of questions. Rather it is a list of
prompts for canned Theosophical (big T) responses, that you have on file at
your fingertips. I have read them all over the last few years. They are
good and useful, but they are not the alpha and omega. Like Jerry, I am
not in your camp or that of your enemy. Like Mauri, I am trying to read
your e-mails as somehow possibly being Karmically designed just for me.
Also KPJ's and Brigittes and Sufilights. With that thought in mind, I look
forward to your next response.

> That will be of interest to most of us, I believe.
>
> Best wishes,

Yes, best wishes. But more than that, best designs.

Bill
> Dallas
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Meredith [mailto:bilmer@surfsouth.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 7:11 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Theos-World how does theosophy explain 'disgust'?
>
> 4. Does the idea of reincarnation change how we look at those
> around us?
>
> ====================================
>
> DTB on bn-basic:
> Yes, because we realize we are all brother and sister
> SPIRITUAL MONADS and have been and will be reincarnating
> together. So we might as well treat each other from here on as
> members of an immortal family.
>
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>
> DTB on theos-talk:
> > I have not been reading fully the posts by Brigitte or Paul
> > Johnson -- they disgust me.
>
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> I must ask what exactly disgusts you -- the posts that you don't
> read fully
> or Brigitte and Paul Johnson? I am interested in this feeling of
> disgust to
> which you refer. I have felt it before myself. I could not
> identify the
> source of such a feeling. Do you feel it at the spiritual level
> or just
> superficially by the personality? If it is deep and abiding
> within the
> spirit, what does it mean to say "they disgust me"? For instance
> if we are
> all destined to reincarnate again together, will "they disgust
> me" again and
> again until they change their stripes or I change mine?
>
> I wonder was HPB ever disgusted?
>
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> Bill
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