Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00075)

Hi all of you,

Maybe the wellknown sufi (follower of tasawwuf) Ibn El-Arabi (d.1240) (alsoknown as the alchemist Doctor Maximus) has something to offer on that below issue too. At least he for certain seems to predate Jung on the 'Arhcetypes'. (Try for instance R. Landau "The Philosophy of Ibn Arabi", 1959).

from
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mic Forster" <micforster@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: Synchronicity pre C.G.Jung.


> 
> Dear bri_mue
> You obviously did not read my original post. Look at the dates on the quotes of Paul Kammerer. This is all I have to say to you on this issue.
> Regrads,
> Michael Forster
> bri_mue <bri_mue@yahoo.com> wrote: Can you be more specific.
> 
> --- In theos-talk@y..., Mic Forster wrote:
> > The concept was conceived long before Jung
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --- bri_mue 
> wrote:
> > > The the concept of synchronicity stems from Swiss
> > > psychotherapist 
> > > C.G. Jung first published in 1952 in his book
> > > "Synchronicity: An 
> > > Acausal Connecting Principle."
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Brigitte
> > > 
> > > --- In theos-talk@y..., Mic Forster
> > > wrote:
> > > > Dear Adelasie,
> > > > It would be my pleasure, but this is my
> > > interpretation
> > > > and I am sure others see it differently (and
> > > that's
> > > > what makes this world great).
> > > > 
> > > > The best way to explain it would be to give an
> > > > example. Everyday I go to the same cafe to eat
> > > lunch.
> > > > When I enter there is invariably one or two
> > > customers
> > > > eating their lunch or drinking coffee. I order my
> > > meal
> > > > and sit down to eat it. Let's say this occurs at
> > > > 1.05pm. At approximately 1.07pm another customer
> > > > enters the cafe closely followed by several
> > > others.
> > > > These customers do not know eachother or have any
> > > form
> > > > of association. They have merely had the
> > > preconception
> > > > of enetering this cafe to eat lunch. At
> > > approximately
> > > > 1.20pm the cafe is once again quiet with myself
> > > > remaining and a few other customers. In the next
> > > ten
> > > > minutes two more customers enter to order their
> > > meals.
> > > > Then at approximately 1.35pm eight or nine
> > > customers
> > > > enter the cafe in close sequence and these people,
> > > > once again, have no relation to each other what so
> > > > ever. Given this my interpretation of
> > > synchronicity
> > > > would be a series of causally unrelated events
> > > > coinciding in time and space. 
> > > > 
> > > > A great scientist, though history has not proven
> > > him
> > > > so yet, Paul Kammerer went to a great deal of
> > > trouble
> > > > to scientifically document the phenomena of
> > > > synchronicty. He would sit for hours on a park
> > > bench
> > > > and record details of those who walked passed him,
> > > > such as age, appearence etc, to see if he could
> > > record
> > > > this phenomena of synchronicity. One day I too
> > > decided
> > > > to see if I could record it. Although I am sure my
> > > > methodology was somewhat flawed I did find that
> > > > casually unrelated events were occurring. My
> > > methods
> > > > were to sit in a public place, in this case the
> > > path
> > > > leading to the Opera House here in Sydney (thereby
> > > I
> > > > could get a diverse range of people from all over
> > > the
> > > > world), and note males over the age of 15 if they
> > > had
> > > > facial growth or not. Assuming facial growth was
> > > less
> > > > common than not having facial growth, I found that
> > > > there were extensive periods when there would be
> > > males
> > > > with no growth followed by short periods of males
> > > with
> > > > growth. As noted above my methodology was not
> > > entirly
> > > > sound (ie a bus load of Middle Eastern men could
> > > have
> > > > walked past hence adding bias to my results).
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps I should quote a passage from Kammerer
> > > himself
> > > > and I am sure anybody who is reading this would
> > > have
> > > > experienced something similiar at some stage in
> > > their
> > > > life:
> > > > 
> > > > "On September 18, 1916, my wife, while waiting her
> > > > turn in the consulting rooms of Prof. Dr. J. v.
> > > H.,
> > > > reads the magazine "Die Kunst"; she is impressed
> > > by
> > > > some reproductions of pictures by a painter named
> > > > Schwalbach, and makes a mental note to remember
> > > his
> > > > name because she would like to see the originals.
> > > At
> > > > that moment the door opens and the receptionist
> > > calls
> > > > out to the patients: "Is Frau Schwalbach here? She
> > > is
> > > > wanted on the telephone."
> > > > 
> > > > Another example from Kammerer: "on November 4,
> > > 1916,
> > > > his brother-in-law went to a conert where had had
> > > seat
> > > > No. 9 and cloakroom ticket No. 9; the next day, at
> > > > another concert, he had seat No. 21 and cloakroom
> > > > ticket No. 21".
> > > > 
> > > > An example from my own experience: I was in the
> > > city
> > > > walking to go to a meeting when a homeless man
> > > asked
> > > > me for some change. I quickly felt in my pockets
> > > and
> > > > found no change so I apologised. He obviously did
> > > not
> > > > find this too sincere as he cursed at me as I
> > > walked
> > > > off. Feeling somewhat bad I returned later with
> > > some
> > > > change but he was no where to be seen. I went home
> > > to
> > > > prepare myself for an engagement that evening.
> > > Leaving
> > > > the house I was halfway to the train station only
> > > to
> > > > realise that I left my jacket at home.
> > > Consequently I
> > > > missed the train I planned to catch. The train I
> > > > eventually caught unexpectedly broke down at a
> > > station
> > > > and we had to alight for another train. On
> > > alighting I
> > > > noticed a $2 coin on the ground and I thought the
> > > > great wheel of karma was shining upon me. Once
> > > back in
> > > > the city I unexpectedly saw that homeless man
> > > again
> > > > and duly gave him the $2 I had found and a few
> > > more
> > > > coins I had in my possession.
> > > > 
> > > > Now in regards to synchronicity and theosophy.
> > > > Although I have not read extensively the
> > > theosophical
> > > > literature, what I have read indicates that the
> > > ego
> > > > returns to the physical body when it has had
> > > enough of
> > > > the spiritual world. To me this is completely
> > > > unsatisfactory and I hope I have either misread
> > > what I
> > > > have read or I haven't read enough. Presently, I
> > > am of
> > > > the opinion that we go through stages of our
> > > evolution
> > > > according to the law of synchronicity. That is, a
> > > > series of causally unrelated events coincide in
> > > time
> > > > and space to return us back to the physical plane
> > > or,
> > > > for that matter, any other plane. 
> > > > 
> > > > Another area which I am dissatisfied with is this
> > > law
> > > > of karma. Logically speaking, if I do something
> > > bad
> > > > then something bad will happen to me in return and
> > > > vice versa. Now we say as a conscious being we can
> > > > make the decision to do good and break the bad
> > > karma.
> > > > But how can this be broken? Logically, it would be
> > > > either an ever ending cycle where bad things
> > > > continuously happen to us or good things
> > > continously
> > > > occur. Presently, I am of the opinion that a
> > > series of
> > > > causally unrelated events occur that eventually
> > > lead
> > > > us to do either good or bad. Hence we get good and
> > > bad
> > > > karma.
> > > > 
> > > > I must stress that these are my current views. Not
> > > > five years ago I was an ardent believer in
> > > > Christianity. These days my view of the world
> > > could
> > > > not be more different. I suspect that in five
> > > years
> > > > time my opinion will, once again, be completely
> > > > different.
> > > 
> > === message truncated ===
> > 
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