Theos-Talk Archives (February 2002 Message tt00074)

Dear bri_mue
You obviously did not read my original post. Look at the dates on the quotes of Paul Kammerer. This is all I have to say to you on this issue.
Regrads,
Michael Forster
bri_mue <bri_mue@yahoo.com> wrote: Can you be more specific.

--- In theos-talk@y..., Mic Forster wrote:
> The concept was conceived long before Jung
> 
> 
> 
> --- bri_mue 
wrote:
> > The the concept of synchronicity stems from Swiss
> > psychotherapist 
> > C.G. Jung first published in 1952 in his book
> > "Synchronicity: An 
> > Acausal Connecting Principle."
> > 
> > 
> > Brigitte
> > 
> > --- In theos-talk@y..., Mic Forster
> > wrote:
> > > Dear Adelasie,
> > > It would be my pleasure, but this is my
> > interpretation
> > > and I am sure others see it differently (and
> > that's
> > > what makes this world great).
> > > 
> > > The best way to explain it would be to give an
> > > example. Everyday I go to the same cafe to eat
> > lunch.
> > > When I enter there is invariably one or two
> > customers
> > > eating their lunch or drinking coffee. I order my
> > meal
> > > and sit down to eat it. Let's say this occurs at
> > > 1.05pm. At approximately 1.07pm another customer
> > > enters the cafe closely followed by several
> > others.
> > > These customers do not know eachother or have any
> > form
> > > of association. They have merely had the
> > preconception
> > > of enetering this cafe to eat lunch. At
> > approximately
> > > 1.20pm the cafe is once again quiet with myself
> > > remaining and a few other customers. In the next
> > ten
> > > minutes two more customers enter to order their
> > meals.
> > > Then at approximately 1.35pm eight or nine
> > customers
> > > enter the cafe in close sequence and these people,
> > > once again, have no relation to each other what so
> > > ever. Given this my interpretation of
> > synchronicity
> > > would be a series of causally unrelated events
> > > coinciding in time and space. 
> > > 
> > > A great scientist, though history has not proven
> > him
> > > so yet, Paul Kammerer went to a great deal of
> > trouble
> > > to scientifically document the phenomena of
> > > synchronicty. He would sit for hours on a park
> > bench
> > > and record details of those who walked passed him,
> > > such as age, appearence etc, to see if he could
> > record
> > > this phenomena of synchronicity. One day I too
> > decided
> > > to see if I could record it. Although I am sure my
> > > methodology was somewhat flawed I did find that
> > > casually unrelated events were occurring. My
> > methods
> > > were to sit in a public place, in this case the
> > path
> > > leading to the Opera House here in Sydney (thereby
> > I
> > > could get a diverse range of people from all over
> > the
> > > world), and note males over the age of 15 if they
> > had
> > > facial growth or not. Assuming facial growth was
> > less
> > > common than not having facial growth, I found that
> > > there were extensive periods when there would be
> > males
> > > with no growth followed by short periods of males
> > with
> > > growth. As noted above my methodology was not
> > entirly
> > > sound (ie a bus load of Middle Eastern men could
> > have
> > > walked past hence adding bias to my results).
> > > 
> > > Perhaps I should quote a passage from Kammerer
> > himself
> > > and I am sure anybody who is reading this would
> > have
> > > experienced something similiar at some stage in
> > their
> > > life:
> > > 
> > > "On September 18, 1916, my wife, while waiting her
> > > turn in the consulting rooms of Prof. Dr. J. v.
> > H.,
> > > reads the magazine "Die Kunst"; she is impressed
> > by
> > > some reproductions of pictures by a painter named
> > > Schwalbach, and makes a mental note to remember
> > his
> > > name because she would like to see the originals.
> > At
> > > that moment the door opens and the receptionist
> > calls
> > > out to the patients: "Is Frau Schwalbach here? She
> > is
> > > wanted on the telephone."
> > > 
> > > Another example from Kammerer: "on November 4,
> > 1916,
> > > his brother-in-law went to a conert where had had
> > seat
> > > No. 9 and cloakroom ticket No. 9; the next day, at
> > > another concert, he had seat No. 21 and cloakroom
> > > ticket No. 21".
> > > 
> > > An example from my own experience: I was in the
> > city
> > > walking to go to a meeting when a homeless man
> > asked
> > > me for some change. I quickly felt in my pockets
> > and
> > > found no change so I apologised. He obviously did
> > not
> > > find this too sincere as he cursed at me as I
> > walked
> > > off. Feeling somewhat bad I returned later with
> > some
> > > change but he was no where to be seen. I went home
> > to
> > > prepare myself for an engagement that evening.
> > Leaving
> > > the house I was halfway to the train station only
> > to
> > > realise that I left my jacket at home.
> > Consequently I
> > > missed the train I planned to catch. The train I
> > > eventually caught unexpectedly broke down at a
> > station
> > > and we had to alight for another train. On
> > alighting I
> > > noticed a $2 coin on the ground and I thought the
> > > great wheel of karma was shining upon me. Once
> > back in
> > > the city I unexpectedly saw that homeless man
> > again
> > > and duly gave him the $2 I had found and a few
> > more
> > > coins I had in my possession.
> > > 
> > > Now in regards to synchronicity and theosophy.
> > > Although I have not read extensively the
> > theosophical
> > > literature, what I have read indicates that the
> > ego
> > > returns to the physical body when it has had
> > enough of
> > > the spiritual world. To me this is completely
> > > unsatisfactory and I hope I have either misread
> > what I
> > > have read or I haven't read enough. Presently, I
> > am of
> > > the opinion that we go through stages of our
> > evolution
> > > according to the law of synchronicity. That is, a
> > > series of causally unrelated events coincide in
> > time
> > > and space to return us back to the physical plane
> > or,
> > > for that matter, any other plane. 
> > > 
> > > Another area which I am dissatisfied with is this
> > law
> > > of karma. Logically speaking, if I do something
> > bad
> > > then something bad will happen to me in return and
> > > vice versa. Now we say as a conscious being we can
> > > make the decision to do good and break the bad
> > karma.
> > > But how can this be broken? Logically, it would be
> > > either an ever ending cycle where bad things
> > > continuously happen to us or good things
> > continously
> > > occur. Presently, I am of the opinion that a
> > series of
> > > causally unrelated events occur that eventually
> > lead
> > > us to do either good or bad. Hence we get good and
> > bad
> > > karma.
> > > 
> > > I must stress that these are my current views. Not
> > > five years ago I was an ardent believer in
> > > Christianity. These days my view of the world
> > could
> > > not be more different. I suspect that in five
> > years
> > > time my opinion will, once again, be completely
> > > different.
> > 
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> 
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