Theos-Talk Archives (January 2002 Message tt00010)

January 2, 2002

Dear Friend:

I think it is a useful quotation that you provide us with from H
P B. Let me look at some of the implications it causes me to
think of -- and some questions to ask.


Perhaps we ought to ask: What limited TIME cycles were
established when our Universe, Galaxy, and our small World sprang
into existence? [ see for instance S D II 68-70 ]

Presumably the vast CLOCK of NATURE and the relations to
astrological "influences" (which remain to be explained as to the
nature of their influence and impact on various aspects of our
characters, "principles" and natures).

I have found in The SECRET DOCTRINE and other original
theosophical writings small clues scattered here and there
concerning the operation of individuals and communities, family
and national Karma related to the constellations and the stars.
It is, for me, difficult to integrate them.

There appears to be confusion on several points.

1. When is Karma created?

2. Is its beginning marked in the Clock of the Stars? How ?

3. Since there is always a vast interaction of many causes,
who or how are they coordinated?

4. Presumably reincarnation of the immortal Ego has
something to do with astrology, as well as the birth and
conception of the present personal self and its physical body
which serves as vehicle for this incarnation.

5. What is the purpose of astrological investigation ?
Motive ?

6. Can any one be benefited by previewing the future, theirs
or others ?

7. What part does prophecy, and "visions" play in this ?

If these can be integrated I imagine we will find two aspects
emerge:

1) The influence on us of this particular era, civilization,
race, country, nation, religion, scientific knowledge, and other
practical matters.

2) The general influence on world history and development --
the sweep of epidemics or invasions, of economic prosperity or
depression, and of other psychic or spiritual cycles. The ripple
of discoveries and their applications.

Remains always the particular application: if we get some
insights into this, will we use the knowledge for general good,
or for our own "personal and selfish advantage ?"

I think for me it is more a matter of curiosity than of any
specific knowledge I can use.

As to the Karmic relationship and :free-will." Can we not say
that when any human acquires the independence of the
Mind-faculty, then and there are the beginnings of personal Karma
for that mind. The Personal form that is assembled before and on
birth for this incarnation was preceded by similar "forms" in
earlier lives. We are assuming the concept of Individual
immortality is grasped and agreed on as a basis for thought and
living.

But Theosophy teaches that we are individual MONADS and that we
are immortals, and have been traveling over the pilgrim path
towards the Perfection that stands as a general Goal for us all.
Additionally let us also say that the Spiritual Self incarnates
as a volunteer into the personality already informed by the
personal ego -- to serve a friend and counselor -- not as a
director in anyway. The "Lower self" is the Lower, embodied mind
allied with passions and desires. MIND is the intermediate
between this "lower mind" and the divine Monad ( ATMA-BUDDHI) --
or the "spiritual Self."

There are a number of important concepts integrate here.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: M S
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 1:18 AM
To:
Subject: Re: H P B on ASTROLOGY

Hi, Dallas,

Thanks. I think the following quote are coming in as something
quite new, to many seekers of astrology.

You wrote:

"We hold that the science of Astrology only determines the nature
of effects, by a knowledge of the law of magnetic affinities and
attractions of the Planetary bodies, but that it is the Karma of
the individual himself, which places him in that particular
magnetic relation."
H P B Theosophist, Vol. 6, p. 106 [CWB 6-p.327]

So, Dallas how is the Law of Karma, explaining - free will.
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dtb basically all Monads are "free" -- the limits
are "brotherhood" and "cooperation."
Once Mind is acquired, the responsibility for directing it to act
harmoniously and cooperatively is also assumed by the individual
self-consciousness. Tis is part of its self-education -- a
process which we as humans are undergoing. The knowledge that
Theosophy provides is to explain this, and then to point to
further and future development -- for consideration and
self-implementation if we desire to do so.

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If everything can be predicted - by Astrology. Then there can't
be any - free will, can there ?
Do we have a - free will ? And if so how is it to be understood -
together with astrology ?


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DTB Look on it as self-imposed effects which we set in past
lives. But we have very little to go on here and now. We are
all in some or other situation. what choices will we be making
now? What kind of a future will we be building? Does a
knowledge of Theosophical principles help?

What do we need to know?

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Some readers will probably agree, that the Christians some years
back in the Middle Ages - banned Astrology, because as they said,
there couldn't any free will - if Astrology was a reality.

I just find the question important - and I guess - that some
readers - also do that.

and

happy new ...

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