Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00403)

October 24, 2001

Dear Jerry, and friends:

I agree that merely quoting H P B's teachings does nothing for
any one.

However because one does not understand what is being offered (by
her) does not destroy the value of the offering, in my esteem.

Derision is hardly a useful tool in philosophy or in mutual study
exchanges. That which really renders discussion chaotic is the
imposition of some individual construct as a finality (if that is
your intent)

If one desires to test this, then the approach is inquisitive
(from both sides, and independently). If we desire to disrupt
the line of inquiry of others, derision is an oft used tool that
bewilders the unwary and the insecure.

How are we going to work out of this impasse? What method of
mutual discussion are we adopt? Where are the common grounds?
How do we learn to exchange and understand each-other's language
?

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jerry S [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 9:33 AM
To: Theos Talk
Subject: Theos-World Globes & Planes

<<<<<I don't think one has to practice magic or astral projection
to have an
appreciation or understanding of planes. I do think it requires
a
considerable amount of contemplative thinking.>>>>

Monica, while your idea may sound just fine, it doesn't work. I
have read a
lot of bullcrap on these lists over the years about the Globes
and Planes
wherein it is painfully obvious that the individuals had no clue
what they
talking about. To quote Blavatsky is not enough. To think about
it is not
enough. To draw diagrams with lines and circles is not enough.


One must practice it and experience it in order to appreciate it.
At the very very
least, one should read G de Purucker, who wrote with knowledge of
them.




DTB	Have you any specific references to offer for us to check on
this? As far a I am able to see one studies a "map" prior to
advancing into the "unknown." Also one looks for analogies in
preparation for a trek.-- to be at least part-way ready to handle
emergencies and unforeseen contingencies.

If you have experience, l why not describe that instead of
inviting others to participate by means of a "leap into the
unknown?" What are they getting into? why is it that H P B
from one end to the other of her teachings warns about astral and
psychic adventuring? Does she describe dangers? She admits to
having made those adventures and she had the strength apparently
to resist whatever Forces and Powers as exist there, and to
retain her INDIVIDUAL integrity. She says that most do not have
that as part of their background.




Blavatsky assumed that her readers were familar with the Qabala.
That is not
the case today. Her Globes correspond with the Sephiroth, and her
planes are
identical with those on the Tree of Life.




DTB	That was because many readers were familiar with that system
and it needed to be brought back to its original meanings. This
she did.




All she did was to re-arrange their positions so that they are
circular or chain-like instead of
tree-like. This is not a trivial modification, and has enormous
ramifications when we use them within our worldview. I have
always felt that the tree-like structure was contrived and
artifical. I find HPB's circular structure normal and natural.

<<<<<It is possible for such an individual to be aware of all
planes of
consciousness and co-exist in one or more planes at the same time
due
to the possibility that such an individual would not be affected
by
the space-time continuum as we mere mortals. >>>>



Only a buddha can be conscious of all planes
(samsara+nirvana=maya) at the
same time.

Jerry S.