Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00338)

I know I sound like a broken record - but reference to higher lower -
etc etc is all RELATIVE 

Object - subject - process of obvservation - ok the trinity....


As in TRUTH - there is no OBJECT SUBJECT or OBSERVATION - we can see
that any relativistic differentiation is purely mayavic and hence
completely illusory.

ZEN DUDES!

Neti or Sat?






|-----Original Message-----
|From: Bill Meredith [mailto:bilmer@surfsouth.com] 
|Sent: Monday, 22 October 2001 6:58 AM
|To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
|Subject: Re: Theos-World wake up to it and enjoy (including 
|"spiritual")life
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|Perhaps it might be considered higher to be true to thine 
|ownSelf. Perhaps it might be considered even higher to love 
|thy neighbor as thySelf without reference to gradation 
|(higher) or de-gradation (lower).
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|Bill
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|> From: DANIEL J HOUGAS <younggung36@msn.com>
|> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
|> Subject: Re: Theos-World wake up to it and enjoy (including
|"spiritual")life
|> Date: Sunday, October 21, 2001 2:12 PM
|> 
|> Bridgett, the highest thing you can ever do is to know 
|thyself, don't
|you agree. 
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|> ----- Original Message -----
|> From: bri_mue@yahoo.com
|> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 12:09 PM
|> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
|> Subject: Theos-World wake up to it and enjoy (including 
|> "spiritual")life
|> 
|> Jerry: "Another way to put it might be that a mystical experience is 
|> in the form of new and deeper states of consciousness, even 
|though the 
|> senses and outward experience of things may still be physical plane 
|> earth. A psychical experience is in the form of altered or different 
|> sense experiences, perhaps of subtler aspects of physical or astral 
|> earth. With the psychical, we see different things and may 
|go to other 
|> places, but our basic consciousness is the same. It's the same "us" 
|> that is going there and seeing those things. With the 
|mystical, we may 
|> still be here and seeing the same things, but we're greater within, 
|> with a wider scope of understanding, with perhaps entirely 
|new ways of 
|> appreciating life in our wider consciousness."
|> 
|> Maybe we don't "go" anywhere.
|> 
|> Jerry: "can know the taste of an apple by reading about it. 
|And also, 
|> they admit to being afraid to eat it"
|> 
|> It reminds me a bit of primitive tribes that live in the midst of a 
|> beautiful forest/nature, but are afraid to walk in it at night 
|> because of the "gosts" out there. They demonize the world, not 
|> realizing that if there are "gosts",or spiritual beings, out there 
|> they couldn't harm one if you are present minded.
|> 
|> Jerry: "We experience materiality directly, and we experience dreams 
|> directly, and so how does one know that direct spiritual 
|experience is 
|> any more reliable? "
|> One is good for this, and the other is good for other 
|aspects of life,
|> and yes they are both limited on a "real" life basis it 
|seems. But at
|> least are to be considered as "normal" in our current condition.
|> Nevertheless the physical (or the lower Manas seems a more accurate
|> thesophical term) seems more familiar to many theosophists then
|> spiritual "experiences"(and of course there is also 
|discussion of what
|> is "spiritual"), wich some demonize, and that is a dead end street.
|> Just as you breath air, drink water (any long term 
|breatharians on the
|> list ?), and eat at least some, food, applying "experience"
|> exploring consciousness and self .helps one to be a more balanced
|> person it seems, plus adding a good dose of scepticism and trying to
|> check things out helps a lot .
|> In other words to stay with your two feet on the ground seems an
|> advisable way to go as long one has a body.
|> 
|> Only reading books, of watever creed is indeed a 
|limitation, and can 
|> get you confused or stuck. Creed can also mean scientific creed of 
|> course, but also in science, there is a lot of good 
|research going on 
|> that can be looked up and can be made to be useful.
|> 
|> We live in a great world/universe, why not wake up to it and enjoy 
|> it.
|> Brigitte
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