Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00110)

Sorry Dal - Of course I meant Arjuna not Krishna ..doh!

I don't have a copy of the Gita handy but the words I was trying to
recall were along the lines of 'Seeing these ranks arrayed against me -
knowing that if I fight I take the blood of my brothers uncles father
etcc etc " - does that ringa bell?

I haven't read the entire Gita for about 7 years so you'll have to
forgive my rusty memory.

Cfud

nos

-----Original Message-----
From: dalval14@earthlink.net [mailto:dalval14@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 6:30 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World Fw: [nadervt] Warning: The present 
condition of the U.S.


Saturday, October 06, 2001


Dear Nos:

Please review the BHAGAVAD GITA -- there is no "moment of 
silence" that descended on Krishna the Teacher, as I read it. 
I believe you will find that amore accurate statement depicts 
that it was Arjuna, the pupil, who was momentarily stunned in 
Chapter 11, when he was shown (by the temporary gift of the DIVINE
EYE) -- the vision of the UNIVERSAL FORM of Krishna the
Avatara -- SUPREMELY WISE MAN --

This Universal vision, as I understand it, is a symbol of the 
UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF ALL BEINGS.

We can all claim the ONE SPIRIT of the UNIVERSE as the common 
and single source of our being, and, of our intimate and 
eternal relationship with humanity and everything else.

Only those who tenaciously adhere to the notion of the 
separateness of the personality (plunged in the delusions of 
matter and its limitations) view their present independence as 
an accident, a "bit of luck," and not as an essentiality -- and 
they cannot account for their own uniqueness, or their future 
when this life ceases.

But the BHAGAVAD GITA and theosophy does do exactly that. And 
that is one of the reasons that it is important. If you read 
and study the KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) you will find how it is 
there explained that the cooperative nature and the cohesion of 
all aspects of the Universe, our would and our physical forms 
are analogous, and have for center the Perceptive faculty (a 
"Ray of the One Spirit") around which all their nature is aggregated.

Krishna was depicted as the god incarnate in EVERYTHING 
including the highest essence of Arjuna ( see Chapter 10 
description: "Among the Pandava, I am Arjuna..." )

The BHAGAVAD GITA depicts the effort of the pupil (Arjuna) who 
seeks to know ism own INNER and HIGHER SELF -- the ATMAN 
within. Krishna is one who has achieved this and assists him is 
self-discovery.

It is a most interesting and helpful treatise on the psychology 
of all human beings.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: nos [mailto:nos@granite.net.au]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 9:44 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World Fw: [nadervt] Warning: The present 
condition of the U.S.

What did Krishna do in that moment of silence that descended 
him upon during his battle?

And maybe I'm missing something but the conversation started 
with a talk on moral equivalence - now you're telling me MY 
world is the simplistic B&W one....lol...follow the thread dude.


New, old, same.



-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Meredith [mailto:bilmer@surfsouth.com]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 9:04 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Fw: [nadervt] Warning: The present 
condition of the U.S.


On the contrary Nos, the world Michele describes is the 
complex world of living color. It is the world in which we 
act. Your world of 'Why didn't we' , why don't we', and 'how 
dare we' is the simple world of black and white. You fool 
yourself when you look at the world through rose colored 
glasses and convince yourself that the color you see is not distorted.

No matter when we move to eradicate terrorism, you will ask why 
we didn't move earlier. No matter what we do, you will 
criticize our motives. Nos, we are selfish - same as you. Can 
you deny your selfish motives, even in these discussions? Do 
you hold us to a higher standard than you hold yourself? The 
question in the end is who will win - the selfish US who has 
historically raised the bar of freedom for one disenfranchised 
group after another - or those selfish others who continue to 
repress and/or attack every group that is not them.

Not one standard,
Bill
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> From: nos <nos@granite.net.au>
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: Theos-World Fw: [nadervt] Warning: The present
condition
> of
the U.S.
> Date: Wednesday, October 03, 2001 12:32 AM
>
> If only we could all live in such a simple world.
>
>
> Why didn't the world do anything about this repression to
women BEFORE
> WTC911?
>
> Why hasn't the US/UN done anything about the repression and
OVER 1
> MILLION DEATHS in Tibet?
>
>
> Can I ask what degree you are studying Officer Jenny?
>
>
> Cfud
>
> Negative observations silenced
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michele Lidofsky [mailto:officerjenny@mindspring.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 October 2001 1:41 PM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Fw: [nadervt] Warning: The present condition 
> of the U.S.
>
>
> nos wrote:
>
> > So what - it's ok to hate as long as you choose the right
enemy?
>
> Of course we can have no enemies and hate no-one.
>
> We can also have a totalitarian movement, who are tribalists of a 
> medieval brutality succeed, and impose their vision of utopia
on us.
>
> They forbid women to have an education, health care, work, or to walk 
> on the streets unless completely covered by a face-mask and a tent. 
> They bury a woman suspected of adultery up to her shoulders before 
> stoning her to death. They kill suspected homosexuals by collapsing 
> walls on them. They have driven millions of desperate fellow Afghans 
> into exile, and leave the remainder to face destitution, and 
> starvation. Religious freedom, social mobility, tolerance, the 
> guarantee of rights and liberties in law, are all unheard of.
>
> The left, who were happy to have left millions to the mercy of 
> Communism and the gulags, may also be happy to leave millions at the 
> mercy of this kind of Islamist terror - lining up as usual on 
the side 
> of oppression and lies.
>
> As Chris Weinkopf of the NY Daily News has noted, moral 
equivalence is 
> rooted in a kind of moral stupidity (or moral
> denial) - it's the inability or refusal to ever make distinctions 
> between the genuinely good, the merely unpleasant, and the patently 
> evil.
>
> Michele
>
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