Theos-Talk Archives (October 2001 Message tt00109)

Have you read Rudolph Steiners Guardians of the Higher Planes?

Nos



-----Original Message-----
From: dalval14@earthlink.net [mailto:dalval14@earthlink.net] 
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 6:58 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: Independent Entities


My dear Nos

That's exactly what I will not do.

I don't think you'd venture into the outback with no more than 
a backpack and no map or experience to guide you, anymore than 
I would try to travel from Los Angles to Denver on foot through 
our wildernesses.

I am most cautious.

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: nos [mailto:nos@granite.net.au]
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:49 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: Independent Entities

Dal - I understand what you are saying - but unfortunatley this 
is the KEY point - in all existence the moment when this 
happens you must not be guided by FEAR. I have but two words 
for you - GIVE IN.

Let go of your ego. Let it dissolve. Merge with us all.

You know you want to


(need organic soma)




-----Original Message-----
From: dalval14@earthlink.net [mailto:dalval14@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 10:08 AM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: Theos-World RE: Independent Entities


Friday, October 05, 2001

Dear Jerry:

If and when a "mystical experience" is my fate (karma), then I 
want to be the master of that experience, understand and guide 
it, and not be a subject to such a condition. I have (because of
inexperience) a mistrust of allowing my instrument to become 
the subject of another (manifest or non-manifest). There is a 
vast difference, as I see it.

I have read and studied reports on such experiences, and would 
rather not become subject to any such, until I am sure that I 
can master the impact that comes in on a psychic level of 
"feeling". I would far rather have a knowledge of the 
potentialities involved and of my own strengths and weaknesses 
as an EGO. I am in no hurry and am not curious. I am sure 
that I will be living many life-times, so there is ample time 
for such events (if they come to me) to manifest. At that 
time I will decide what to do. But, I am the one who will do 
the deciding.

I am quire sure that I am a PART of the WHOLE. But I am also 
aware that there is an aspect of myself that is ignorant and 
supposed to become wise. I do not view either rashness or 
curiosity as an essential to my living. As I watch our society 
unroll before and around us I can see where some open 
themselves to the influence of alcohol, or drugs. They are 
putting themselves out of control by using an intervening 
buffer of some kind. They do not CONTROL their altered state, 
they are controlled by its influence, until such time as the 
body ejects that disturbance and controlling medium.

Then the "altered state" is reviewed in terms of our very 
fragmentary memories. and mainly if terms of the psychic - we 
LIKED it or we did not LIKE it. In fact one might say that the 
MIND has been excluded and preempted. it is no longer the 
controller in such conditions. [Of course under hypnosis, a 
far more detailed memory can be evoked of the experiences.] But 
the condition of hypnosis is again one where an outside 
influence controls. The kind of control I wish for myself is 
that which consciously is able to us the tools opened by 
"hypnotism" for conscious use -- if this is a good description 
of the condition that would be acceptable to me. If this is 
accurate, then I would be able to perceive the essentials of an 
"altered state" before I ever went into it. -- and the 
necessity for this kind of experience might be entirely obviated.]

I consider that this ability to know, that places my 
consciousness apart from the vehicle I use (that has this
ignorance) is a real asset we all have. (In this case I 
presume it is my bodily brain, and its ability to invoke to its 
aid its built-in abilities -- to reason and at least 
intellectually penetrate into the basic logic and core of any 
subject or object..

I presume, apart from being "independently dependent," that 
all Minds have this ability, and can exercise and develop it, 
providing they realize that they are not dependent.

Provided they realize that inwardly, at the core of their 
being, they have the same abilities (in embryo, perhaps) of the 
HIGHEST. After all to be an immortal is no small situation, as 
time (as we measure it in these perishable bodies of ours) is 
not a factor in our continuous development.

To be in concept "a Ray" of the All:" does not in any way abase 
me. Nor does it elevate me to any extent above or beyond my 
companions. However I am sure it demands of me that I verify 
and prove the validity (or not) of these concepts.

One of the concepts that has always interested me is the one 
that states that the "Highest" ALWAYS INCARNATES in the lowest
-- NOT FOR ITS BENEFIT, but for the enlightenment of the 
"lower" and less experienced Skandhas, (Monads, Aggregates ) 
which provide it with a vehicle. It serves as a kind of magnet 
to which they flow.

It is in ITS company that they experience Its WISDOM and 
PURITY. It is the basis for Universal Brotherhood.

I am also sure that there is wisdom that is universal (and no 
one's property), and, in living, there is experience, a field 
of multiple experiences, available when necessary for me to 
secure and to use.

This Is I believe the pathway of all learning. Also this is a 
very knife edge of choice: to be one of many, or to isolate 
ones self. As I see it the UNIVERSE exemplifies the concept of 
being ONE OF MANY, and the innumerable divisions caused by the 
process of differentiation and manifestation enables all 
aspects of LIFE everywhere to pass through experiences that 
lead to the Perception of UNITY in DIVERSITY. The great danger 
is to allow ones "Lower Self" to believe it is unique and is 
somehow worthy of being an object of adoration to others who 
may not have achieved its intellectual eminence.

The thing to be learned precedes that effort that an individual 
may make to secure a knowledge of the rule, processes and 
potential success (for a while). It is not unique, but only 
part of a group of similar experiences and actions and choices 
made by independently dependent entities. (Human minds ?)

The rules (Karma) whereby it comes into existence, precede its 
being Perceived. The RULES preexist. Hence there is a 
universal RECORD of experience and the eternal balancing 
between cause and effect.

This demands an Organizer, or a Process of impersonal 
organization (Karma) which weighs all factors and balances all 
of these so that the karma of an individual is enabled.

And that is about as far as I can go on this theme for the moment.

Does it make any sense ?

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: G----- S-------r
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:13 AM
To:
Subject: Independent Entities


DTB
<<<All this goes to show that we are independent entities: >>>


GS

Dallas, so long as anyone holds this belief, just so long will 
they continue to wander in the mayavic worlds of mortality. The 
belief in a permanent and separate and independent individual 
self is the very glue that holds maya together. I am quite sure 
that when you one day have a mystical experience yourself and 
directly experience the unconditional oneness of the universe, 
you will realize the falseness of your sentence above.






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