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RE: Theos-World RE: Independent Entities

Oct 06, 2001 02:28 AM
by dalval14

My dear Nos

That's exactly what I will not do.

I don't think you'd venture into the outback with no more than a
backpack and no map or experience to guide you, anymore than I
would try to travel from Los Angles to Denver on foot through our

I am most cautious.



-----Original Message-----
From: nos []
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World RE: Independent Entities

Dal - I understand what you are saying - but unfortunatley this
is the
KEY point - in all existence the moment when this happens you
must not
be guided by FEAR. I have but two words for you - GIVE IN.

Let go of your ego. Let it dissolve. Merge with us all.

You know you want to

(need organic soma)

-----Original Message-----
From: []
Sent: Saturday, 6 October 2001 10:08 AM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: Theos-World RE: Independent Entities

Friday, October 05, 2001

Dear Jerry:

If and when a "mystical experience" is my fate (karma), then I
want to be the master of that experience, understand and guide
it, and not be a subject to such a condition. I have (because of
inexperience) a mistrust of allowing my instrument to become
the subject of another (manifest or non-manifest). There is a
vast difference, as I see it.

I have read and studied reports on such experiences, and would
rather not become subject to any such, until I am sure that I
can master the impact that comes in on a psychic level of
"feeling". I would far rather have a knowledge of the
potentialities involved and of my own strengths and weaknesses
as an EGO. I am in no hurry and am not curious. I am sure
that I will be living many life-times, so there is ample time
for such events (if they come to me) to manifest. At that
time I will decide what to do. But, I am the one who will do
the deciding.

I am quire sure that I am a PART of the WHOLE. But I am also
aware that there is an aspect of myself that is ignorant and
supposed to become wise. I do not view either rashness or
curiosity as an essential to my living. As I watch our society
unroll before and around us I can see where some open
themselves to the influence of alcohol, or drugs. They are
putting themselves out of control by using an intervening
buffer of some kind. They do not CONTROL their altered state,
they are controlled by its influence, until such time as the
body ejects that disturbance and controlling medium.

Then the "altered state" is reviewed in terms of our very
fragmentary memories. and mainly if terms of the psychic - we
LIKED it or we did not LIKE it. In fact one might say that the
MIND has been excluded and preempted. it is no longer the
controller in such conditions. [Of course under hypnosis, a
far more detailed memory can be evoked of the experiences.]
But the condition of hypnosis is again one where an outside
influence controls. The kind of control I wish for myself is
that which consciously is able to us the tools opened by
"hypnotism" for conscious use -- if this is a good description
of the condition that would be acceptable to me. If this is
accurate, then I would be able to perceive the essentials of an
"altered state" before I ever went into it. -- and the
necessity for this kind of experience might be entirely

I consider that this ability to know, that places my
consciousness apart from the vehicle I use (that has this
ignorance) is a real asset we all have. (In this case I
presume it is my bodily brain, and its ability to invoke to its
aid its built-in abilities -- to reason and at least
intellectually penetrate into the basic logic and core of any
subject or object..

I presume, apart from being "independently dependent," that
all Minds have this ability, and can exercise and develop it,
providing they realize that they are not dependent.

Provided they realize that inwardly, at the core of their
being, they have the same abilities (in embryo, perhaps) of the
HIGHEST. After all to be an immortal is no small situation, as
time (as we measure it in these perishable bodies of ours) is
not a factor in our continuous development.

To be in concept "a Ray" of the All:" does not in any way abase
me. Nor does it elevate me to any extent above or beyond my
companions. However I am sure it demands of me that I verify
and prove the validity (or not) of these concepts.

One of the concepts that has always interested me is the one
that states that the "Highest" ALWAYS INCARNATES in the lowest
-- NOT FOR ITS BENEFIT, but for the enlightenment of the
"lower" and less experienced Skandhas, (Monads, Aggregates )
which provide it with a vehicle. It serves as a kind of magnet
to which they flow.

It is in ITS company that they experience Its WISDOM and
PURITY. It is the basis for Universal Brotherhood.

I am also sure that there is wisdom that is universal (and no
one's property), and, in living, there is experience, a field
of multiple experiences, available when necessary for me to
secure and to use.

This Is I believe the pathway of all learning. Also this is a
very knife edge of choice: to be one of many, or to isolate
ones self. As I see it the UNIVERSE exemplifies the concept of
being ONE OF MANY, and the innumerable divisions caused by the
process of differentiation and manifestation enables all
aspects of LIFE everywhere to pass through experiences that
lead to the Perception of UNITY in DIVERSITY. The great danger
is to allow ones "Lower Self" to believe it is unique and is
somehow worthy of being an object of adoration to others who
may not have achieved its intellectual eminence.

The thing to be learned precedes that effort that an individual
may make to secure a knowledge of the rule, processes and
potential success (for a while). It is not unique, but only
part of a group of similar experiences and actions and choices
made by independently dependent entities. (Human minds ?)

The rules (Karma) whereby it comes into existence, precede its
being Perceived. The RULES preexist. Hence there is a
universal RECORD of experience and the eternal balancing
between cause and effect.

This demands an Organizer, or a Process of impersonal
organization (Karma) which weighs all factors and balances all
of these so that the karma of an individual is enabled.

And that is about as far as I can go on this theme for the

Does it make any sense ?



-----Original Message-----
From: G----- S-------r
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 11:13 AM
Subject: Independent Entities

<<<All this goes to show that we are independent entities: >>>


Dallas, so long as anyone holds this belief, just so long will
they continue to wander in the mayavic worlds of mortality. The
belief in a permanent and separate and independent individual
self is the very glue that holds maya together. I am quite sure
that when you one day have a mystical experience yourself and
directly experience the unconditional oneness of the universe,
you will realize the falseness of your sentence above.

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