Theos-Talk Archives (September 2001 Message tt00065)

The only thing that eliminates "fear" is "KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUE."

The problem is to accumulate o fund of things that you know to be
true because you have proved them to yourself.

All the rest can be classified under "FIND OUT."

It would be an interesting exercise to make up a list.

For instance you might under the HEADING " I known" say"

1	I know I exist here in this physical body.

2.	I know that one of my faculties is thinking

3.	I know that I am able to "feel" pain, "joy.", suffering,
happiness, doubt, and that basically "feeling" is a statement of
uncertainty -- something yet to be verified. [ The 2nd part of
this is to be filed under : FIND OUT .]

4.	I know the UNIVERSE EXISTS.

5.	I know I am a part of it.

6.	I know that most of the events I know of run under Law or
Laws. But there are many yet to be found out.

7.	I know that there is a multitude of relationships between me
and the various other parts and beings in this Universe.


... and so on

See if this line of consideration is of help

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: CeeKaye [mailto:christina@md.prestige.net]
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2001 9:17 AM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Re: Truth(as love)

Fear may be the result of ignorance [as in my case]

Growing up in this generation, i've consciously or subconsciously
functioned
on what experiences i had.

Here, i learn this:

Aspiration is synonymous with ambition.

AMBITION applies to the desire for personal advancement or
preferment and
may suggest equally a praiseworthy or an inordinate desire
<driven by
ambition>.

ASPIRATION implies a striving after something higher than oneself
and
usually implies that the striver is thereby ennobled <an
aspiration to
become president someday>.

If i aspire to become something here, i want to become AWAKE and
ENLIGHTENED
by TRUTH.

Fear:

1 a : an unpleasant often strong emotion caused by anticipation
or
awareness of danger b (1) : an instance of this emotion (2) : a
state marked
by this emotion
2 : anxious concern : SOLICITUDE
3 : profound reverence and awe especially toward God
4 : reason for alarm : DANGER
synonyms FEAR, DREAD, FRIGHT, ALARM, PANIC, TERROR, TREPIDATION
mean painful
agitation in the presence or anticipation of danger.

FEAR is the most general term and implies anxiety and usually
loss of
courage <fear of the unknown>.

Either fear or courage are enforced emotional experiences
[enforced by
family, parents, peers, et cetera]

As ignorant human beings born unto this plane of existence, fear
is an
unfortunate inheritance.

Now Love:

the first three definitions are 1) : strong affection for another
arising
out of kinship or personal ties <maternal love for a child> (2) :
attraction
based on sexual desire : affection and tenderness felt by lovers
(3) :
affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests
<love for
his old schoolmates>

but we are concerned with the fourth:

4a : unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of
another: as (1)
: the fatherly concern of God for humankind (2) : brotherly
concern for
others b : a person's adoration of God.


Could you elaborate on what you mean by love being the same as
living
without fear? [sorry, i don't get it]

=o)



-----Original Message-----
From: Julien Maclou [mailto:robin_kalfat@yahoo.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 9:35 PM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] Re: Truth(as love)


Hello everyone,

I would like to talk a little bit more about truth as
love; I understand the basis of the theosophical
society is the love and brotherhood of humanity. But
do any of us really know what this is? It seems the
only way we can understand love is by utter
self-abandonment, which is really to live without
fear. Along with this is the belief in reincarnation,
I am not here judging weather it is true or not, that
is not the point. The point is it leads people into a
false sense of security. Because deep down human
beings fear their own death and out of this fear we
try to give ourselves continuity, by postulating
reincarnation. Fear is a result of self-centredness
and we cover it up, this is where my concern is. We
are holding beliefs and ideas with are really working
against us. Also at times aspiration is used as a word
instead of ambition, this has the potential to cause
confusion, the whole idea of spiritual progress feeds
ambition and many students replace this ambition with
a word called aspiration. All this breeds further
self-centredness. That is why we may need a different
approach altogether.
I invite anyone reading this to send his or her
comments about this subject.
Kind regards
Robin.



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