Theos-Talk Archives (September 2001 Message tt00010)

Dear Michael:

As far as I know the Neuro-cognitive relates to our physical body
and is quite limited by it. It is only a part of the process
whereby the INNER MAN cognizes change, data, and seeks to make a
relation to a system out of disparate information.

All organization starts with stability of some kind,
mathematical, physical, chemical, biological, but when one comes
to the mind everything seems to become confused. What then would
theosophy offer?

1.	there is a THINKER

2.	there is a subject or an object that can be selected to be
thought about.

3.	There is the process of comparison in search of an organized
system from which receives or perceives data and change.

4.	there is an attempt to organize this input, in search of some
law that already exists and either originates it or is impacted
by it. This is an area for research.

5.	Finally comes the query : All this registering of data, and
the collection of evidence evidently has some use. What is the
use to be considered as? Is it useful, constructive, impersonal,
hostile, and what is its relation to my living and the living of
others? Is there a repository or a fund in existence to which we
can relate our present experiences?

You use the word "engram" which apparently is a concept or a
force that is antagonistic -- but, antagonistic to what or to
whom? I have so far only encountered its use with friends who
are connected in some way with the philosophy of Scientology.

You employ the general concept of PAIN and SUFFERING, DEATH,
etc... Theosophically these relate more to emotional modes
rather than to mental and philosophical ones.

In Theosophy the Mind is considered to be the superior of the
two. Mind rules emotion through first, an understanding of the
nature of the problem, and then, second, makes for itself a
determination and employs the power of the SELF-WILL. But this
might be disputed.

Man is considered at all times to be free and independent. Hence
his choices from moment to moment, while "influenced," are yet
still his own and free.

The power of the individual mind is not to be limited by either
preconception or prejudice, but ought to be carefully examined
under the condition of careful introspection analogous to
meditation.

There rises the question: Who or what EXAMINES the (our) Mind?
Who (or what) directs it? Who makes the selection of the
subjects for examination and consideration? And, what is their
ultimate objective?

I do not have a full grasp of their (Scientology) philosophy, so
that it can be compared by me, with the philosophy of the
wholeness of the Universe and man's relation to it, as a
reincarnating being who is learning how to accommodate his
transitory mortality to an end objective that is universal in
scope, and which will ultimately make him a true immortal with a
vision scope and a wisdom that encompasses the Universe we live
in.

Theosophy considers that the sole method available for the
realization or the attainment of such a state is alone through
the practice of benevolence and compassion -- which is epitomized
as UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD.. It avers that the ultimate powers of
the Universe and of Nature can only be entrusted to those who are
totally harmless to others, to themselves and are in effect,
cosmocratores, and "builders" and supporters of Nature' purposes.

In other words unselfishness and service to others are the sole
avenues whereby personal selfishness and the greed for personal
power can be eliminated. It helps of course, enormously, if one
starts out with the concept that WE (the REAL MAN) are truly
IMMORTAL, and that the SPIRIT/SOUL within, is immortal. But this
is a difficult concept for the brain-mind of our physical
embodiment to grasp and then to rely on.

To be of help I trust you are familiar with the KEY TO THEOSOPHY
(BY HPB) it is available through BLAVATSKY.NET on line, and is
a good basic treatise to be familiar with.

It is the view of Theosophy that the Universe and Nature
represent the life-supportive powers and forces that enable all
humans, MAN, to exist physically, emotionally, mentally and
SPIRITUALLY.. It considers these to be universal and immutable
as well as indestructible. The process of reincarnation it
avers, is that by which these increments of spiritual growth and
universality may be garnered.

For there to be a useful and on going relationship there has to
be a modicum of the same immortality in "man" ( Mind ?) as there
is already existent in the Universe. [ The Universe embraces
all.]

Philosophically, the body as a physiological limitation, is more
of a hindrance than a help.

Finally there is no price to be put on wisdom and knowledge, If
it is true, it is already free to all who seek it. It is present
in the least situation we are in. It has supported our life so
far, and few of us know much about physiology so as to trace the
enormous complexity of the simplest human form. If ever there
was a Universe in a nut-shell, it is in the physiological form of
any human.

It also draws attention to the wonderful complexity needed and
the individual intelligence of the least of our cells to realize
how harmonious the great disparity among them is galvanized into
a harmony that permits our intelligence as an emotional being and
a Mind being to coexist.

But do let me know what you think of this approach.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 5:53 AM
To: study@blavatsky.net
Subject: [bn-study] RE: MEMORY OF PAST LIVES Why amnesia ?

Dallas and others,
One reason I had suggested incorporating Neuro-cognitive systems
into the
matrix, is to review the engram throughout the time track
(recorded periods
of pain and unconsciousness (i.e. past death, births, prenatal
events,
severe trauma etc) including their processing. Some beleive that
they should
be left alone or left to the masters, while others place
considerable
emphasis in processing them to restore self determinism and
personal
freedom. while working in the lower worlds.
Michael


----- Original Message -----
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <study@blavatsky.net>
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2001 8:18 PM
Subject: [bn-study] RE: MEMORY OF PAST LIVES Why amnesia ?


> Saturday, September 01, 2001
>
>
> Dear Friends:
>
> Amnesia in reincarnation is explained in Theosophy by the
> separation after death of all the impresses left in memory on
the
> skandhas (little-lives) which, in the period of Kama-loka are
> reviewed by the IMMORTAL EGO ( ATMA-BUDDHI-HIGHER MANAS)
> immediately after physical death ( period a few hours to a few
> weeks ) and separated into two categories.

CUT