Theos-Talk Archives (August 2001 Message tt00258)

Dear Friends

The doctrine of the TWO ONES (S D I 130) seem t say to me that
the ABSOLUTENESS is ONE out of manifestation (to be simple about
it) and the Second ONE is the focal point of a manifested
UNIVERSE. It is the CENTRE that is everywhere, with
CIRCUMFERENCE nowhere.

As such every being in the limitless UNIVERSE has THE ONE
SPIRITUAL ESSENCE at the core of its being (man included).

When a "personal aggregate of skandhas" ( a PERSONALITY) as a
centre of consciousness, has purified itself by self effort, so
as to become that "golden vase" of the GAYATRI verse [ W Q Judge
Articles (U L T) Vol. I 583 PATH , Jan 1893 ] then it as a
SECOND ONE may be said to have become a bodhisattva (see Voice
pp 77-79).

For purposes of understanding, The SECRET DOCTRINE may seem to
indicate a single PERSONAGE assumes for a particular earth a
fundamental and central position of administration (as "The
Spirit of the Earth" so to say, S D I 207-8) But that does not
exclude other beings who may, at the same time or later, occupy
analogous positions in other centers of life and being. What
would we call the central Spiritual Power inhabiting, animating
and regulating the SUN, or another Solar system and its Sun and
planets? Seems to me that thee are endless Hierarchies of
spiritual Beings and that their names and functions are of no
present value to us as pupils of this great Philosophy whose
roots extend forward and backward to eternity on either side.


Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: leonmaurer@aol.com [mailto:leonmaurer@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 1:49 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World reincarnation

>In a message dated 08/20/01 8:52:08 PM, eldon@theosophy.com
writes:

(LHM)
>And, since when did the Dhyan Chohans "make" the
>laws? I always thought, as explained (the 2nd
>Fundamental Principle) in the Proem to the Secret
>Doctrine, that the fundamental laws of cycles and
>periodicity, which would govern both Karma and
>its derivative action of Tanha, were inherent in the
>nature of the Absolute prior its manifestation --
>before any so called Dhyan Chohans (as conscious
>entities) might appear on the scene. If so -- then,
>how would the Dhyan Chohans, be able to do anything
>to change or "make" those laws?

(Eldon)
As I understand it, there are two One's or Absolutes,
with laws and ways of relating to existence. The first
is truly unknowable, and deals with the patterns of
how things work in an ultimate sense. It is what we'd
truly call infinite, since it bears no direct relation
to any particular thing, however lofty.

The second One is the Head of a particular scheme of
existence. However big or grand this particular world
or universe is, it is finite, has a top, has limits,
can be transcend, and is measurable on some scale.
When we talk about the start of things, we're talking
about the start of one of these schemes, patterned
according to absolute Law, but resulting from the
incarnation or embodiment of a particular being. Within
this being are a multitude of life-atoms, the inhabitants
of that "universe".

(LHM) [*---*=italics]
Nevertheless, the infinite and unknowable primary Absolute
*beness* or
abstract *rootles root* of all that is, was, or ever will be--
must contain
all the potentialities hidden in the "patterns of how things
work" which are
essentially the *Fundamental Laws* themselves (based on abstract
or non
linear motion) that determines all the aspects and attributes of
any so
called secondary "Absolute" (if there can be such a thing) that
interprets
those Fundamental Laws into laws of concretized or linear motion
or action --
that, in turn, governs the lesser more and more objective
existence's or
*beings* that follow. (Note that "action," in this concrete or
linear sense,
refers to the effects of motion on all aspects of matter from the
highest
mental imagery, bodily forms, and cosmic constructions of the
Dhyan Chohans
to the lowest imaginations, physical forms, and material
constructions of
Man.)

Essentially, then, such "patterns of how things work" are´the
Fundamental
Laws that are directly related to motion, whether abstract
(nonlinear) or
concrete (linear) -- that HPB said, "can never cease, and must
forever be."
Therefore, those secondary "laws" governing concrete existence
(and linear
motion) are directly connected to and are derived from the
Fundamental Laws
of "abstract (nonlinear) motion" that preceded them.

These two aspects of the primary and secondary laws themselves,
of course, do
not refer to the "patterns of existence" carried by the abstract
motion
itself (which I call, the holographic interference patterns of
spin
constituting the *memory* in the "spinergy") -- and which might
be described
as the source of the mental images of the Dhyan Chohans upon
which they base
the reconstruction of the Cosmos after each Pralaya. Here,
"spinergy" is
defined as the infinite energy of the Absolute in the abstract
spin-motion
circulating around the primal zero [laya] point that rests in
infinite
duration. (This may not be, however, the eternal "Mother who
rests in
Paranishpanna" -- which appears to be only one aspect of the
initial spinergy
or "Mother of mothers" that refers solely to our particular
cosmos.)

Thus, the primal infinite Absolute -- even though we can never
know or
imagine it in our finite minds -- must be this also infinite
abstract motion
itself, as well as its infinite laya points of consciousness,
along with all
the root holographic patterns of everything (consisting of
matter) that
subsequently can be... All of which, together, ultimately
determines and
governs the hierarchical mentalities, the holographic structural
imageries,
and the karma's of all finite universes and beings that are
continually
projected out of it and drawn back into it in endless cycles --
without ever
diminishing it or enlarging it... Thus, forever remaining the one
and only
Absolute rootless root or beness... Which, being entirely without
attributes
(although, still having aspects or potentialities) -- must
forever remain
unimaginable and inconceivable to lower mind. (Although, not
necessarily so
in the highest aspects of higher or Buddhi Mind -- if I read HPB,
Buddha, Lao
Tse, and Patanjali correctly.)

(Eldon)
The first type of Laws, relating to the Ultimate, are
more what you're referring to. The second type of
laws, which refer to the governing of the behavior of
matter and beings that exist within the matrix of life
created by the second One, are what I'm talking about.

(LHM)
Yes... But -- since the "laws" you speak of governing the
"behavior of
matter" are essentially governed by the Fundamental Law of cycles
and
periodicity -- in my view, they can't be separated from the
Fundamental
nature of the *One* Absolute source of all. In addition, the
beings or
structures of the Cosmos -- of which the Dhyan Chohans are the
First
Architects or Builders -- being finite in their numbers as well
as in their
functions, cannot be considered as part of that "Absolute"
(although they
emanate out of it along with the Cosmos in its first logos).
Didn't Krishna
say, "I create this whole universe out of one small part of
myself, and yet
remain separate"? Also, as HPB pointed out, the physical laws
that govern
matter and the spiritual and mental or psychic, laws" that govern
the
"behavior of man" are not the same -- although they are all
"rooted" in and
determined by the Fundamental and Absolute Law I speak of --
that, as I see
it, is actually the only real "creator" of the three, seven and
fourteen fold
Universe that the Dhyan Chohans "imagine" the *blueprint* of, and
later,
"oversee" its construction or formation. This is evident by the
laws of
analogy and correspondence, which the ancients grouped under the
general term
"affinity," or in the expression, "As above, so below."

Thus, apparently, (and by definition as well, I believe) there
cannot be "two
Absolutes." So I've been told -- there is simply one "Rootless
Root,"
represented by the One (yet triune) "Absolute" (containing the
root of *all*
the laws of action after manifestations) in addition to, upon
each
manifestation, a subsequent "Tree of Life," represented by the
two logos (in
which appear the Dhyan Chohans) that precedes the material Cosmos
(which is
also triune). Nor, can the Dhyan Chohans have anything to do
with either
creating laws, or even creating the Cosmos -- since, as Solomon
said, "There
is nothing new under the LORD" -- referring to the highest
Fundamental LAW
(as his statement is interpreted in the Kabbala). It follows that
the Dhyan
Chohans, besides being "interpreters " of the fundamental Laws
from nonlinear
to linear, are simply the first *agents* of the "one reality," or
Absolute,
that are the intelligent guides or "constructors" throughout its
initial
phases of manifestation -- which apparently is, however,
preordained by the
information (blueprint) contained in its infinite "spinergy" that
remains
unchanged in eternal duration -- (although "information" in the
form of "spin
wave patterns" can be added to it upon reabsorption of the seven
primal
"rays" after each Manvantara).

I hope this offers some clarification, and more food for thought
for those
participating in (or listening in to :-) this discussion.

I'm sure Eldon would agree that all comments and questions are
welcome.

LHM



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