Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00183)

Jerry:

As far as I know Mr. Wadia was good friends with Krishnamurti.
At least he gave me to understand that.

Mr. Crosbie had some serious differences with Mrs. Tingley, and
when they could not be reconciled he and his wife left Point
Loma. He did not go into detail as far as I know as to what
those differences were.

For "real Theosophy" study what H.P.Blavatsky WROTE. You won't
get as clearly anywhere else. This because OPINIONS are mixed
with it. ( My own are obviously included here -- I mean
opinions. )

I wrote it was a foreshadowing of what a 6th Round organization
would be when as I understand it the BUDDHI-MANAS will be
operative and there will be annoying interference from the
desires and passions which have latched on to and constituted the
LOWER MANAS. It is our Lower-Manas which gives rise to unclear
perceptions of truth, laws and verities. Wisdom is that which
encompasses all these as practical Ideals. If the KEY TO
THEOSOPHY (HPB) is studied, most of this becomes quite clear.

The ult IS NOT A PROVIDER OF NOVELTY. It exists to provide the
doorway into esotericism and occultism through the writings of
H.P.Blavatsky and W.Q.J. The KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB) is one of
the best books to use to grasp this. It is on line through
Blavatsky Net.

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Reitemeyer [mailto:ringding@blinx.de]
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:45 PM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Questions to Dallas and other ULT-ers

>JERRY: Dallas, was this a result of the Khristamurti business?
Or something
>else? I thought that Crosbie founded ULT out of some kind of
problem with
>Pasadena, not Adyar (??). Are you saying that Tingley's drama
etc was not
>"real Theosophy?" In any case, I would really like to hear
exactly what you
>think is "real Theosophy" and exactly why you perceive it not to
exist in
>the other TSs. I would think that an honest answer may go far to
some kind
>of union.

In addition - as it is been said that the ULT is a 6th round
organization,
which is BTW an interesting claim as HPB regarded even an adept
like Plato
as being only 5th round - I would like to know what new insights
into
Theosophy, what doctrines, has the ULT brought forward in the
time from 1909
until today which are unknown to other Theosophists?
Is it possible to get a clear answer?

Please name soemone the doctrines or insights which are new?
If it is true that Robert Crosbie was 6th round and Katherine
Tingley was
only 4th round this question is very naturally as one can
conclude that
there a much greater insights.
Frank

<<<<The T S had changed drastically in direction and in teachings
since her "death," and since that in 1896 of Mr. Judge in
America. HPB'S writings had been changed by editing, and were
going "out-of-print." Mr. Judge was unknown.

The books were not out-of-print. A list of publications of the
Point Loma TS
from the UCSD on my desk shows that they were frequently
reprinted by that
TS.
I needed, I can quote it.

>Blavatsky and Judge walked on water, and everyone else was a
black magician
>or devil incarnate or worse. Please tell me if my conclusion is
wrong.

As Tingley was accepted by Judge (and perhaps by HPB before
1891?) then ULT
has to drop Judge also.
You cannot accept Judge and reject Tingley. They stand and fall
together.
Frank





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