Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00178)

>It seems that among all the diverse TM groups, only ULT -- not an organized
>"theosophical society," but as a free association of independent students
>whose only obligation is "that which they, themselves (individually)
>determine" -- sanctions this truly occult and free thinking approach.

Leon, do I understand you in the right way that you say that the present ULT
(not that ULT with a new police that we recently discuss about) welcomes
occult matters and free thinking - and is the only theosophical group that
does it?

1. How then do you explain the Crosbie story?

2. How is it possible that free thinking people were made believed and which
believed for nearly hundred years a twisted version?

3. How is it possible that free thinking people (who claim to be
Theosophists, following Blavatsky) in nearly hundred years did not come to
new ideas, insights and never corrected false statements?

4. Which doctrines were recognized by the ULT in the last 100 years which
are not know to others?

5. The Mystery school HPB founded in 1875 has had nine degrees; which degree
actually had Robert Crosbie when he was kicked out in 1904 from the
Headquarters (in ULT phrase one would rather say left by free will)?

6. Is the ULT magazine censored or is every ULT member free to place his/her
(so far as 6th rounders still have a gender) articles there?

7. If not, who blocks the free thinking? Are they elected? Are they known by
the simple members?

Until you come with serious facts and statements I am sorry to say that all
this smacks not like freedom but much more like sectarian brain washing.
I hope you give serious questions also a serious consideration and answer.
Make believe and commercial statements does not convince me. Let's speak
simply facts.

>I hope we can all (including this and other online forums) soon get off
this
>incessant argumentation about past organizational and personal history, and

Why? Have you hide something? You, Dallas and others are frequently saying
that the ULT is a good model for the Theosophical Movement. So it seems to
be a duty to have a nearer look to the ULT. Especially HOW they LIVE free
thought (and not merely PROCLAIM it as Communists).
And why are this things past? Has the ULT changed its policy? Are the
results of Mrs Geiger from 1931 about the Judge/Tingley-successorship
published? Where can I read it?
As long as you surpress the TRUTH about the past I do not believe that you
really love the TRUTH in the present and in the future. Someone who has no
past has no future, too.

>get back down to the basic study and understanding of pure theosophy --
along

Ah, I see. When we discuss things that you don't like because old ULT dogmas
break up then it is not pure Theosophy.
But when we discuss how free and equal the ULT members are, then you would
say it is pure Theosophy.
Don't you think that you violate HPB with such twisted thinking?

>with discussing its practical applications (both individually and

Reminder: The whole recent discussion has to do with practical application
and only with that. Please read the emails again. For example I have asked
when and in which way new researches of which the DES members at least 1931
know of will be made known to the ULT members? Is that practical or is that
not? Free thinkers read the book "Theosophical Movement", recognize that
there are twisted stories and lies about KT, make research and make a
PRACTICAL use of their new findings and keep their sheep informed what was
happened.
Will you help me to make it practical? Otherwise I would spent some time and
write up an article. Would you be willing to care for it being published in
the ULT magazine?
That action would convince me that the ULT'ies are not living on cloud nine
or in the lower astral world were personal dogmas are protected on every
cost but that they are eager to spread practically and free thinking the
truth to help others to think free.
Frank