Theos-Talk Archives (July 2001 Message tt00163)

Does the ULT offer Initiation or must one approach the DES?

Is TRUE initiation even available any more?

The freemasons were compromised by the Jesuits centuries ago. The
Jesuits tried very hard to compromise the TS.

Even to this day there still seems to be theosophists out there who
won't admit that death and rebirth initiation is THE ONLY TRUE
INITIATION.

Namaste

Nos



##-----Original Message-----
##From: Frank Reitemeyer [mailto:ringding@blinx.de] 
##Sent: Wednesday, 18 July 2001 8:15 AM
##To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
##Subject: Re: Theos-World Questions to Dallas and other ULT-ers
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##>JERRY: Dallas, was this a result of the Khristamurti business? Or 
##>something else? I thought that Crosbie founded ULT out of 
##some kind of 
##>problem with Pasadena, not Adyar (??). Are you saying that 
##Tingley's 
##>drama etc was not "real Theosophy?" In any case, I would 
##really like to 
##>hear exactly what you think is "real Theosophy" and exactly why you 
##>perceive it not to exist in the other TSs. I would think 
##that an honest 
##>answer may go far to some kind of union.
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##In addition - as it is been said that the ULT is a 6th round 
##organization, which is BTW an interesting claim as HPB 
##regarded even an adept like Plato as being only 5th round - I 
##would like to know what new insights into Theosophy, what 
##doctrines, has the ULT brought forward in the time from 1909 
##until today which are unknown to other Theosophists? Is it 
##possible to get a clear answer? Please name soemone the 
##doctrines or insights which are new? If it is true that 
##Robert Crosbie was 6th round and Katherine Tingley was only 
##4th round this question is very naturally as one can conclude 
##that there a much greater insights. Frank
##
##<<<<The T S had changed drastically in direction and in 
##teachings since her "death," and since that in 1896 of Mr. Judge in
##America. HPB'S writings had been changed by editing, and were
##going "out-of-print." Mr. Judge was unknown.
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##The books were not out-of-print. A list of publications of 
##the Point Loma TS from the UCSD on my desk shows that they 
##were frequently reprinted by that TS. I needed, I can quote it.
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##>Blavatsky and Judge walked on water, and everyone else was a black 
##>magician or devil incarnate or worse. Please tell me if my 
##conclusion 
##>is wrong.
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##As Tingley was accepted by Judge (and perhaps by HPB before 
##1891?) then ULT has to drop Judge also. You cannot accept 
##Judge and reject Tingley. They stand and fall together. Frank
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