Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00197)

Thank you Gene,

Could you possibly help me by giving me the actual page for your
table (I seem to have mislaid mine) references so I can look them
up.

Thanks

Dallas


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-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Carpenter [mailto:Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us]
Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 9:52 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Emotional growth

Dear Dallas,

The planes as given seem to me the standard seven planes used in
old and new
theosophical literature including HPB's work and in The
Theosophist. They
are the major key to communication. For example please see: The
Theosophist for December, 1899, Chart XII, entitled, Parabrahm,
for the
magnificent Bird's Eye View. The seven cosmic planes are
depicted. The
seventh cosmic plane is the cosmic physical plane and it's
subplanes are our
systemic planes, our metaphysical planes:

Logoic
Monadic
Atmic
Buddhic
Manasic
Astral(Kamic)
Etheric/physical(astral, in the old literature)


The reference you have given on page 181 is indeed a bit
perplexing until
one can see that she is refering to the seven planes in their
three major
divisions that correspond to the three major aspects of the ONE:

Monadic planes

Logoic
Monadic
Higher Atmic

Intellectual Planes

Lower Atmic
Buddhic
Higher Manasic

Physical planes

Lower Manasic
Astral(kamic)
Higher physical(etheric physical)

The gross physical is the basis for appearance to us of the
etheric
physical(the body of habits or human behavior)(i.e. ethics) which
is the
real, yet invisible to most, basis for the expression of all the
higher
planes, or states of consciousness.


So. Assuming that the chart from "The Theosophist" is correct,
let's
understand it. It will be the basis for a quantum leap into
greater
understanding.

For those who don't have access to this chart, try "Treatise on
Cosmic Fire"
Page 1230 and while you are at it look at chart V as well, in the
same book.
The charts are from the old theosophical periodicals and probably
clearly
acceptable to HPB however I can't judge that as I don't know
enough. Ignore
Cosmic Fire, but, the Charts, at least, seem intensely
informative and
valuable.


The Monadic planes, the Intellectual Planes, and the Physical
Planes
correspond well to the same division ideas in transpersonal
psychology and
are refered to as the Transcendental States of Consciousness, The
Transpersonal States of Consciousness, the Personal States of
Consciousness.

Please question everything I state as I am often wrong.

Your friend and companion, indeed, truely,

Eugene



----- Original Message -----
From: <dalval14@earthlink.net>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 5:24 PM
Subject: RE: Theos-World Emotional growth


> February 23, 2001
>
>
> Dear Friend:
>
> In S.D. I 181-2 H.P.B. offers an explanation of the "planes" in
> which the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS can live, work, operate. They do
not
> agree with those you list below. In fact neither are they to
be
> found so identified in THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY where H.P.B. has
> carefully provided us with explanations concerning the states
of
> consciousness.
>
> Consciousness for each individual MONAD is ONE. It is the
> Perceiver. It draws on memories recorded in many planes (its
> several vehicles).
>
> This tends to simplify our study and not to make it confusing.
> For instance, take your listing, how will you be able to
> determine what is CONSCIOUS and what is the subjects of
> INVESTIGATION ?
>
> Consciousness is unitary and stable and looks on events,
> thoughts, feelings and words and deeds, does it not ?
>
> Do help; me to understand what you are trying to say.
>
> What is the value of "emotional growth?" How does it arise?
Who
> uses it, and for what ?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dallas
>
> =============================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eugene Carpenter [mailto:Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us]
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:27 AM
> To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Emotional growth
>
> Sorry, I just sent a blank reply.
>
> Let me try again.
>
> This(below) is such an important and lovely and enriching
letter.
> Thankyou
> very very much. This is very encouraging and I'll have to
> remember the
> wonderful effects of emotional growth. Love to St. Francis.
>
>
> It can be helpful to list the planes or states of consciousness
> most
> pertinent to the thinker:
>
> 1. Logoic
> 2. Monadic
> 3. Atmic
> 4. Buddhic
> 5. Manasic
> 6. Astral
> 7. Physical
>
> When HPB wrote, the term "astral" referred to the etheric plane
> as it seems
> so starlike to the clairvoyent. It is important also not to
> confuse the
> seven planes with the so-called seven principles and the seven
> rays. These
> are all intimately related and correspond in some fashion but
> need to be
> kept clear for communications sake. So "astral" refers
sometimes
> to the
> etheric and sometimes to kama. And of course the etheric
> manifests the
> emotional as it does for the four manifested planes from Buddhi
> downward.
>
> One other item of importance. Mulaprakriti is best associated
> with the
> Monadic plane it seems to me. It manifests through the Buddhic
> plane. This
> can be confusing and one can keep in mind that there always is
> the noumenon
> and then the phenomenon. If one can actually contact
> mulaprakriti(or it's
> equivalent to us) that contact manifests in one's heart as the
> most
> incredible Beauty. Small wonder that Parabrahmam is hopelessly
> in love and
> Parabrahmam/Mulaprakriti can be thought of as two aspects but
are
> in fact
> the causeless cause, at the Cosmic Monadic Plane, of the cosmic
> sacred
> marriage that is in cosmic heaven(at the Cosmic Buddhic Plane,
> the first
> manifested plane, the fourth plane from the top) A more
familiar
> way of
> listing the planes for HPB-ites might be:
>
> Mahaparanirvana
> Paranirvana
> Nirvana(Cosmic Atmic)
> Cosmic Buddhi
> Cosmic Manas
> Cosmic Kama
> Cosmic Physical
>
> These are the Macrocosmic planes. The first list corresponds
but
> are the
> seven subplanes of the Cosmic Physical
>
> Cosmic Physical
>
> Logoic
> Monadic
> Atmic
> Buddhic
> Manasic
> Astral
> Physical
>
>
> This is the map-like bread and butter of metaphysical
> communication form my
> limited perspective and a very good area in which students
might
> reach a
> consensus.
>
> Love,
> Gene
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <sanctius@mail.com>
> To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>;
> <valaistumattomat@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 7:41 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Emotional growth
>
>
> > Of astral bodybuilding and emotional growth:
> >
> > Once upon the time my threefold personality contained astral,
> or the
> > feeling body, that had a little problem. It was like a
> bottleneck
> > between my etheric/physical and mental bodies. Yes it was a
> fine, nice
> > and quite functioning little astral body, but it was missing
> mass and
> > depth. It was just feeling too little.
> >
> > So I began "a project" in order to correct that faculty of
> mine, that
> > was handicapping the bodies next to it, the physical and the
> mental
> > bodies. It's neighboroughs couldn't communicate each other
too
> well
> > because every flow of energy went through that puny astral
> body. It
> > was also a risk to increase the capacity of the mental or
> etheric
> > bodies, because that would put too much stress into the
astral
> body.
> > That kind of stress could easily rip astral body apart and
> cause
> > severe mental disorders. In order to expand my overall
> personality and
> > to make it more functional vehicle in the earth service, I
> decided to
> > grow my feeling point of experience, that would in turn
remove
> the
> > friction with it's neighboroughs and perhaps making them work
> as one,
> > harmonized whole.
> >
> > How was it done? Simply. Crying, fearing, raging and loving.
> Much of
> > this emotional work was done while my body was sleeping, and
> the rest
> > of course when the body was awake. In the nighttime, very
vivid
> dreams
> > began to appear. I ran, I hide, I feared, I screamed, I
raged,
> I
> > crushed, I pounded, I devastated, I conquered, I died, I
cried,
> I
> > talked, I studied, I travelled, I played, I laughed, I loved,
I
> > helped, I comforted, I healed. As I went through negative
> feelings, I
> > could feel more positive feelings too.
> >
> > Every time I climbed into sunny hills, there was a vale of
> sorrow
> > waiting for me. And every time i went through the darkest
hell
> of
> > human experience, the positive feedback was almost immediate.
I
> pushed
> > and extended my feeling body both upwards and downwards. I
> rejoiced
> > with angels, I battled with devils. I went thru the chaotic
> black
> > madness and thru the halls of silent perfect order. Calmed, I
> was
> > still in the middle, now extended. Thru hell I conquered
> heaven.
> >
> > As I went through these experiences, I was adding lot of
astral
> mass
> > into my astral body. I tamed those wild emotions of love,
hate,
> fear
> > and sorrow. I brought them under my will and direction. It
> might be
> > sayed, that those emotional elementals are now "mine" and I
> have
> > responsibility over them, as I have reponsibility over my
self.
> They
> > are me as I am them.
> >
> > Where did that astral matter come? Surely not out of nowhere?
> From
> > this very planet it came. Our Planetary Man is suffering of
> those
> > untamed emotions, and we have been called to cleanse and
> stabilize His
> > emotional body. The Earth is not yet a sacred planet, but
> someday He
> > shall be, as we shall be. Our responsibility is to carry as
> much our
> > planet's karma we can carry. This carry might be of emotional
> kind,
> > and as we make it under our combined will, the Planetary Man
> shall be
> > free and that sets us free too.
> >
> > Every day I cry, I dry the sea of sorrow. O:´)
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
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