Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00159)

February 23, 2001


Dear Friend:

In S.D. I 181-2 H.P.B. offers an explanation of the "planes" in
which the ONE CONSCIOUSNESS can live, work, operate. They do not
agree with those you list below. In fact neither are they to be
found so identified in THE KEY TO THEOSOPHY where H.P.B. has
carefully provided us with explanations concerning the states of
consciousness.

Consciousness for each individual MONAD is ONE. It is the
Perceiver. It draws on memories recorded in many planes (its
several vehicles).

This tends to simplify our study and not to make it confusing.
For instance, take your listing, how will you be able to
determine what is CONSCIOUS and what is the subjects of
INVESTIGATION ?

Consciousness is unitary and stable and looks on events,
thoughts, feelings and words and deeds, does it not ?

Do help; me to understand what you are trying to say.

What is the value of "emotional growth?" How does it arise? Who
uses it, and for what ?

Best wishes,

Dallas

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-----Original Message-----
From: Eugene Carpenter [mailto:Ecarpent@co.la.ca.us]
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:27 AM
To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Emotional growth

Sorry, I just sent a blank reply.

Let me try again.

This(below) is such an important and lovely and enriching letter.
Thankyou
very very much. This is very encouraging and I'll have to
remember the
wonderful effects of emotional growth. Love to St. Francis.


It can be helpful to list the planes or states of consciousness
most
pertinent to the thinker:

1. Logoic
2. Monadic
3. Atmic
4. Buddhic
5. Manasic
6. Astral
7. Physical

When HPB wrote, the term "astral" referred to the etheric plane
as it seems
so starlike to the clairvoyent. It is important also not to
confuse the
seven planes with the so-called seven principles and the seven
rays. These
are all intimately related and correspond in some fashion but
need to be
kept clear for communications sake. So "astral" refers sometimes
to the
etheric and sometimes to kama. And of course the etheric
manifests the
emotional as it does for the four manifested planes from Buddhi
downward.

One other item of importance. Mulaprakriti is best associated
with the
Monadic plane it seems to me. It manifests through the Buddhic
plane. This
can be confusing and one can keep in mind that there always is
the noumenon
and then the phenomenon. If one can actually contact
mulaprakriti(or it's
equivalent to us) that contact manifests in one's heart as the
most
incredible Beauty. Small wonder that Parabrahmam is hopelessly
in love and
Parabrahmam/Mulaprakriti can be thought of as two aspects but are
in fact
the causeless cause, at the Cosmic Monadic Plane, of the cosmic
sacred
marriage that is in cosmic heaven(at the Cosmic Buddhic Plane,
the first
manifested plane, the fourth plane from the top) A more familiar
way of
listing the planes for HPB-ites might be:

Mahaparanirvana
Paranirvana
Nirvana(Cosmic Atmic)
Cosmic Buddhi
Cosmic Manas
Cosmic Kama
Cosmic Physical

These are the Macrocosmic planes. The first list corresponds but
are the
seven subplanes of the Cosmic Physical

Cosmic Physical

Logoic
Monadic
Atmic
Buddhic
Manasic
Astral
Physical


This is the map-like bread and butter of metaphysical
communication form my
limited perspective and a very good area in which students might
reach a
consensus.

Love,
Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: <sanctius@mail.com>
To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>;
<valaistumattomat@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 7:41 PM
Subject: Theos-World Emotional growth


> Of astral bodybuilding and emotional growth:
>
> Once upon the time my threefold personality contained astral,
or the
> feeling body, that had a little problem. It was like a
bottleneck
> between my etheric/physical and mental bodies. Yes it was a
fine, nice
> and quite functioning little astral body, but it was missing
mass and
> depth. It was just feeling too little.
>
> So I began "a project" in order to correct that faculty of
mine, that
> was handicapping the bodies next to it, the physical and the
mental
> bodies. It's neighboroughs couldn't communicate each other too
well
> because every flow of energy went through that puny astral
body. It
> was also a risk to increase the capacity of the mental or
etheric
> bodies, because that would put too much stress into the astral
body.
> That kind of stress could easily rip astral body apart and
cause
> severe mental disorders. In order to expand my overall
personality and
> to make it more functional vehicle in the earth service, I
decided to
> grow my feeling point of experience, that would in turn remove
the
> friction with it's neighboroughs and perhaps making them work
as one,
> harmonized whole.
>
> How was it done? Simply. Crying, fearing, raging and loving.
Much of
> this emotional work was done while my body was sleeping, and
the rest
> of course when the body was awake. In the nighttime, very vivid
dreams
> began to appear. I ran, I hide, I feared, I screamed, I raged,
I
> crushed, I pounded, I devastated, I conquered, I died, I cried,
I
> talked, I studied, I travelled, I played, I laughed, I loved, I
> helped, I comforted, I healed. As I went through negative
feelings, I
> could feel more positive feelings too.
>
> Every time I climbed into sunny hills, there was a vale of
sorrow
> waiting for me. And every time i went through the darkest hell
of
> human experience, the positive feedback was almost immediate. I
pushed
> and extended my feeling body both upwards and downwards. I
rejoiced
> with angels, I battled with devils. I went thru the chaotic
black
> madness and thru the halls of silent perfect order. Calmed, I
was
> still in the middle, now extended. Thru hell I conquered
heaven.
>
> As I went through these experiences, I was adding lot of astral
mass
> into my astral body. I tamed those wild emotions of love, hate,
fear
> and sorrow. I brought them under my will and direction. It
might be
> sayed, that those emotional elementals are now "mine" and I
have
> responsibility over them, as I have reponsibility over my self.
They
> are me as I am them.
>
> Where did that astral matter come? Surely not out of nowhere?
From
> this very planet it came. Our Planetary Man is suffering of
those
> untamed emotions, and we have been called to cleanse and
stabilize His
> emotional body. The Earth is not yet a sacred planet, but
someday He
> shall be, as we shall be. Our responsibility is to carry as
much our
> planet's karma we can carry. This carry might be of emotional
kind,
> and as we make it under our combined will, the Planetary Man
shall be
> free and that sets us free too.
>
> Every day I cry, I dry the sea of sorrow. O:´)
>
> --
> http://www.kolumbus.fi/sanctius/myself.html
>
>
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