Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00134)

Dear friends,

Thanks Dallas and Peter for the time in responding and forwarding
Jerome's emai.

The mystery of all this is that when in Theosophy you talk about
chakras, kundalini, psychic, and the same, immediately our theosophical
friends turn in something like the Pope - preaching to all the negative
consequences. It is something like: 'you sinners' do not have the
spiritual height nor the ethical depth to do anything . . . . And on
the same token they recommend endless book reading, and spirituality
is refer and exalted if the person is able to quote various paragraphs
from the same 'few' books. The better quote the higher in the Path of
the heart. Oh wow . . . I think the more we quote the more
mental/psychic we are. The Eye Doctrine. Look at the mental
building/structure created and the sad is we ended up believing that we
are what we can quote, when the work is in benefiting humanity and the
progress in the inner Path of the Heart which in my humble opinion is
not in negating the progress but in renouncing to the fruit of the
merits. In building the Nirmanakaya body. But this maybe too esoteric
for some of you. Let me know your opinion on this last part of the
paragraph.

And no my dear Jerome I am not that Martin that you quote "If you are
the Martin with as much background in theosophy..." I have seen
beautiful people . . . well I don't think you can relate dear friend.
Probably you don't even meditate, correct me if I am wrong.

And my dear Jerome, I stopped 'smelling the flowers' long time ago, with
all the work I just don't have the time. To end this thought reading
books, and gather in meetings about reading more books with the purpose
of show some understanding by tying all the quotes you can come up with
. . . wow . . .is only a small part of the journey. The greatest part
of the journey is the direct apprehension of the 'nothingness' which can
be done through meditation . . . And in this there many approaches, my
favorite Vipassana . . . and that is all. I speak from the heart and
experience guided of course from those great Teaching HPB and others
brought to us. But if I have not have a direct experience with it . . .
who am I to quote as an authority???

Love you all

Martin

dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:

> Monday, February 19, 2001
>
> Dear Friends
>
> Another correspondent would like to offer Martin L. the following
> to consider:
>
> Dallas
>
> =====================================
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerome Wheeler [mailto:ultinla@juno.com]
> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 3:23 PM
>
> Subject: Re: Theos-World Kundalini Siddhis and HPB
>
> Since I am not on theos-talk, perhaps this might be forwarded to
> Martin
> Liederman-------
>
> ======================
> Sunday Feb 18 2001
>
> Dear Sir, pardon my interlocutor status, but with your indulgence
> I will
> make a comment---------
>
> There is a higher and a lower kundalini. It works all the time!!
>
> However, to transform upward requires following the discipline
> outlined
> in the VOS. The first big hurdle is to adopt and plant in life
> the
> desire to serve others more than ourselves. That's a hard one to
> achieve
> for usually we go into these things tainted by the self-growth
> syndrome.
> However, if one tries to apply the discipline of the V.O.S. even
> that
> problem will
>
> (1) be clearly exposed to the student inside their own nature so
> they
> can no longer dodge the issue and
>
> (2) gradually begin to wane and weaken
>
> In due time there will occur exactly what the VOICE says: the
> World
> Mother or Kundalini will rise to the Heart. Leave it alone, take
> note,
> but do nothing.
>
> Keep on trying to intensify your love of humanity and desire to
> grasp at
> every opportunity of service that comes your way ---- and, keep
> on with
> the daily meditation. In due time it will do EXACTLY what the
> VOICE
> says: rise to the sixth. (the middle region, the place between
> thine eyes...)
>
> But with no service and no clarification of our motive; no
> strengthening
> of our will, HOW IS THIS GOING TO HAPPEN?? If by "cultish" you
> mean
> something that includes very, very, few, then I agree it is most
> distinctly cultish. Most persons in this day and age have other
> priorities for their "spare time," and the discipline outlined in
> the
> Voice will take all of that and then some!!!
>
> The lower kills one morally, and quite often even physically, for
> instead
> of taking you to the sky in a whirlwind raised by your own
> efforts, it
> will take you to the center of the earth---loose and astray on
> Lunar
> Path.
>
> If you are the Martin with as much background in theosophy as I
> think you
> have, then surely you must have seen and experienced pilgrims
> with the
> insane stare and gibberish of those who believe in the unseen and
> abnormal but fail to transcend an intense sense of separateness
> before
> beginning to dabble in magic. Psychic Groups that I have known,
> known
> of, and read about are almost invariably centered by a Pilgrim
> who
> eventually CLAIMS TO BE GOD!! When some supposedly spiritual
> activity is
> based on SEX, and/or POWER, and/or MONEY---beware.
>
> SERVICE and SELF-SACRIFICE will grow for us a clean set of eyes
> not only
> to see the flaw in the above, but the seeds of these in ourself.
> No one
> is without them. According to Patanjali to have "burnt the seed"
> of such
> is a far advanced step on the Path; or asThe VOICE puts it: "Ah,
> great
> is he who is the slayer of desire; still greater he in whom the
> Self
> Divine has slain the very knowledge of desire."
>
> Far more interesting than Kundalini is the power of Kriyasakti.
> Now
> there's a Siddhi worth writing home about!!
> have a nice day, and don't forget to smell the flowers,
>
> jerome
> Offered by Dallas for Jerome