Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00125)

Dallas:

In a paradoxical way, from our present "earthy" and "physical"
point of view. We THINK either from the Spiritual level of
BUDDHI-MANAS or from the Earthy "KAMA-MANAS" .way or method.
We either see "no limits," or we see very complex and
intermeshing movements, and relationships -- which confuse
because no beginning can be found as also only a very
problematical and theoretical end (symbolized as mukti, nirvana,
or merging into the ONE SPIRIT or into PARABRAHMAM asleep for an
"eternity of our kind of years") in PARANIRVANA.

As I see it, unless we have the broad and unfettered concepts of
eternity, illimitableness of SPACE, as metaphysical principles,
we cannot adjust our earth-limited and "physical-limited" thought
(the brain-mind) which is usually limited to time, place and
consciousness (circumstances involving Kama and Manas).


Buddhi by definition is Mulaprakriti ( UNIVERSAL PURE
SUBSTANCE -- see in T. Glossary SUDDHA SATTVA -- as an instance)
it is also called MULA (root) PRAKRITI or, (SUBSTANCE/MATTER)

KAMA is both the primordial CAUSE (which has infinite
regression -- no "STARTING POINT". As "DESIRE" (see S.D. II 176
top) [ or KAMADEVA -- it has no lower or personality oriented
and LIMITED OBJECTIVES. At that stage one might call it the
Universal Force of KARMA in an impersonal way, as it represents
the total balance of the karma (good and evil) which entangles
all the MONADS (Units of spirit/matter). This forces the Law of
Cycles to worm and causes the periodical periods of waking and
sleeping ( or the BREATHS OF BRAHMA ) for the whole Universe and
all beings in it.

As I look at it every aspect of sense contact, including those
mind and emotional senses are "illusions" in true time, and are
therefore only partially existent as fleeting aspects of
consciousness which are LOOKED AT by the ONE STABLE and PERMANENT
CONSCIOUSNESS (Atma - working through one or other of the 6
vehicles -- S.D. II 596-8, S.D. I 157, 181 )

Two great schools of philosophy meet here: The Trans Himalayan
RAJA YOGA and the ancient Hindu Brahmanical School of the
Adwaitees . Both deal in thought in ULTIMATES (which have NO
DEFINITION in our terms), yet are logical requirements if we ask
for beginning, ending, cause, and final goals. They are the
root of the whole ethico-moral discussion that forever proceeds
from the two poles of the MONAD (whether Universal or its
"mirror" in every atom, as in every human). How does one
reconcile SPIRIT with FORM and SUBSTANCE (Matter) unless there is
that stable entity of CONSCIOUSNESS (the MIND ) which is always
equidistant between the two and sees all contrasts. In that
sense I would hold that it is the ever-present representative of
the UNIVERSAL and always undefined CONSCIOUSNESS of the ABSOLUTE
which is truly without bounds or definitions in terms of our
time, space or motion.

Best wishes,

Dallas


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-----Original Message-----
From: Katinka Hesselink [mailto:katinka_hesselink@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:24 AM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: Re: the one and the many.

Hi Robert,

> Subject: Re: Response to Dallas
> From: Robert Cain <rpc@vnet.net>

> Perhaps one and many are a response to consciousness and
objects coming
> into contact. The one never becomes many except in the
imagination of
> the ego ( a temporary phenomena of consciousness perceiving
objects
(self
> and other))

That sounds nice, but it does not explain how objects and
consciousness
got seperated in the first place. Which is where a lot of my
questions
arise also.

Katinka

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