Theos-Talk Archives (February 2001 Message tt00124)

Sunday, February 18, 2001


Dear Gerry:

Please this is a brief answer, as I have so little time and labor
under some illnesses -- so it takes long to type.


In my understanding:

ABSOLUTENESS is totally undefinable in any way. If we attempt
that we set limits made up of the illusions we currently are
under -- according to the cycle we are now in ( REF. S.D. II
590 the para in italics at bottom, S.D. II 593 last para of
footnote --carry over from 592; S.D. II 597 Last 4 lines at
bottom of page in footnote -- these seem to me to have some
relevance to the information on consciousness AS IT WORKS IN AND
THROUGH THE 7 PRINCIPLES -- found in S.D. I 157, 181-2 200-2,
242-6

To me all the Logoi [Unmanifested, Manifesting, and Manifested]
are symbols of limitation, which under karma cause cyclically
manifestation (for the adjustment by free-willed beings of the
universal harmony they previously disturbed) -- Karma (of the
"aggregates -- skandhas --) demands evolutionary periods in which
they as "pupils" may learn more and voluntarily improve. Our
Earth represents such a school as do all the planets associated
with any system, anywhere.

The purpose for Manifestation is to afford the MONADS (Immortal
Pilgrims, Units of Consciousness) .a program that includes them
all in the effort to become TOTALLY SPIRITUAL and VIRTUOUS
(obeying freely the LAW OF KARMA which is universally present).

An old text (I think I quoted it yesterday) says that the ONE
desiring to know itself, created a MIRROR of MONADS which
represent the highest essence of MATTER (Maha-Buddhi or
Mulaprakriti) -- (the MONAD being defined as a field of
consciousness created egg-shaped or ovoid between two poles we
would SPIRIT and its opposite MATTER).

To further see what H.P.B. says on this subject one might well
read the EDITORIAL APPENDICES to the article THE ARYAN-ARHAT
ESOTERIC TENETS ON THE 7 PRINCIPLES OF MAN published in
THEOSOPHIST for January 1882. Mr. Subba Row made statements in
the body of the article, an d H.P.B. printed several Appendices.

All are valuable and important (You will be able to access them
from BLAVATSKY.NET from the LIST OF H.P.B. ARTICLES. In the ULT
H.P.B. ARTICLES they are in Vol. 3, p.330 to 336. they outline
the differences between the esoteric teachings of Brahmanism,
Tibet, and Buddhism,) In FIVE YEARS OF THEOSOPHY they are on p.
112


My notes re Science are only offered so as to show how progress
is being made towards he propositions already offered 100+ years
ago by H.P.B.


Best wishes,

Dal

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-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:20 PM
To: Theosophy Study List
Subject: Response to Dallas

<<Seems to me that if you step away from the ABSOLUTENESS into
manifestation that from that UNITY which will forever include
everything whether manifested or not, There, there emerges the
MANIFESTING LOGOS as a necessary concept.>>

Dallas, the above is not clear to me at all. The "manifesting
logos" is an assumption that we have to make, a lot like God
or emmanation or "ray" and the like. There is simply no logical
rationale for why the One becomes the Many. I have suggested
that perhaps self-creativity was inherent within the Monad
itself, but this too is an assumption.



<< I believe H.P.B. has
called this the UNIVERSAL MONAD (S.D. II 311; I 21; ) because
she says :"Duality supervenes in the contrast of Spirit (or
consciousness) and Matter, Subject and Object." (S.D. I 15( And
that SPIRIT/MATTER is one way of defining the Monad/s In this
regard she also indicates they are "pre-existent (S.D. II 111,
I-266) They are "rays" from the ABSOLUTE (S.D. II 167), They are
"spontaneously self-active (S.D. I 631) They are combinations
of ATMA-BUDDHI-MANAS (S.D. I178, 570, 238, II 57)>>

Dallas, the above shows the difficulty in trying to define
the undefinable. In one sense, "absolute" implies the upper
three cosmic planes as contrasted with the lower four. But
in another sense, she seems to use the term to mean outside-
the-7-plane-solar-system. I think that it is much more
consistant to label absolute as the upper three planes which
would be equivalent to nirvana. In that way, we can accomodate
Dzogchen and Tzongkapa with Theosophy. The equation
emptiness=nirvana=upper-three-planes makes a lot of sense
to me.


<<Of recent years Science discovers "dark matter." Then further
they say that this forms the majority of the contents we name
"SPACE:. And it further seem that Science is willing to allocate
a large portion of hitherto named "empty" Space to this.>>

The whole concept (and there is as yet no real proof) of
dark matter comes from the idea of an expanding universe.
If dark matter doesn't exist then our universe will slowly
expand outward forever and will die in an entropy soup. But
if there is enough dark matter, it will reach an ultimate
point and begin to contract back again. Since cycles are
appealing, even to scientists, there is a great deal of
faith/hope that such dark matter exists.

I will ask you the same question that I asked Katinka -
what does SPACE with all caps mean? How does space differ
from SPACE???

Thanks for the science quotes. Its all true according to
modern science.

Jerry S.





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