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There is the middle way wherein both the Unity and
the Void, Adwaitee Vendanta and Buddhism, the One and the Zero, Love and
Death, the central point and the circle, the objective and the
subjective, the West and the East, Man and Woman, exoteric and esoteric,
personal and transpersonal all mutually arise and mutually cease and all
knowledge becomes pure wisdom and wisdom the manifestation of love and lovethe
operation of the will. The will of what? Perhaps we must learn to
live with the mystery yet never cease struggling to fully understand.
Oh! Sweet dear beloved mystery: The mind, the love, the will ofIT,
ALL. FIRE!
EC
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 7:29
PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World RE: [bn-basic]
role of "Unity"?
If I may please add to this discussion?
I am a new member and hope to learn much from all of you..
dalval14@earthlink.net wrote:
Dallas wrote:
In reality the SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS is a "ray,"
or a REFLECTION ofthe
ONE ABSOLUTE
CONSCIOUSNESS. These are not "permutations"
as I see
it, but rather the memories of the ONE
CONSCIOUSNESS that we are, and
which has
been moving through those same vast periods of
time as the
unchangeable and immortal UNITY.
This gives us our sense of "I".
We are that
UNITY. And since we have the same qualities that
others have (WHICH WE ALL SHARE) we are
able to communicate.
Although I will agree with
you that words sometimes make our thoughts
obscure.
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May I propose and entirely
(somewhat) different concept?
The sense of "I" is an illusion. Just like the closing of the fist
creates an illusion of a centre withing the fist.
Once opened (the fist), one is ALL, or one is ONE, never having separated.
Unfortunately, even in this moment, the activity of separation is going
on. The result is that you feel you are an "I", somehow separated from
the All or the One. And ....it is just a subtle activity that causes
this sensation and causes the apparent "you" to seek Unity with God or the
Divine, always presuming that you are separate. And that activity is the
act of separation, of difference, of the feeling of separation, which in fact
has never happened. And which re-inforces the illusion. The dream.
Out of all that is "created" the apparent Universe. You and an
"other", and then "fear" appears. As it is said in the Upanishads.
The moment there is another fear arises. And the "I", as well as the
ego, or the ego-"I". Which is not an entity, but a process. A process of
separation and seperativeness. That is the apparent "I". It is onlythat
Attention, being the root of Mind, associates Itself with a momentary
perturbation of Consciousness Itself. And then the whole of "creation"
is viewed from the viewpoint of the "I". And whence all dilemma
appear. And all the Gods, and so on. A nd all that
disappear.
Is this not so?
js
I wonder if that "UNITY" has pluralistic
memories,
Dallas, or is there a memory of a Unifying principle,
or a
"concept" of some kind, rather than (plural)
memories of Unity-derived
content?
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DTB ONE CONSCIOUSNESS implies ONE SET OF MEMORIES
concerning its
EXPERIENCES in various environments, planes, levels,
etc...
Without that unity there could be no continuity.
====================
Or did you mean "unity" as a concept: possibly in
the sense
that such a Unity is beyond our notions
aside from its apparent (?)role
as an
interconnecting principle of some kind?
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DTB
Our notions are usually guesses. What is their basis? How
does that basis fit into the concept of WHOLENESS and
RESPONSIVENESS
? Take the "I" as a basis -- and all concepts and
events around or
within us (as sense perceptions and mental
images) either radiates
from our "I:" (towards an anticipated
future), or is directed to "
The fact is that we are speaking of aspects or qualities of
perception and action by the UNIT -- CONSCIOUSNESS is one of
those. MEMORY is a part of Consciousness. If we center our
thoughts on the records, memories and actions past or present in
anyone plane we are able to contact and exercise control over IT"
for attention, analysis and response or simply memory storage.
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As I tend to interpret your explanation, I'm
wondering if that
"UNITY" aspect consists of,
(among other things, possibly, such as
Atma-Buddhi
and the acquired Manas), a memory, in some sense,
of the
ONE ABSOLUTE CONSCIOUSNESS, and
that as consciousness
evolves, Manas eventually
begins to, in some sense, tap into that
memory,
leading to an increased interest in Evolutionary
subjects,
(Wisdom Religion, Gupta Vidya,
Theosophy,) on various levels of
perception.
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DTB
Look at what H.P.B. says concerning MANAS in the KEY TO
THEOSOPHY which
you read (and forgot aspects of it, it has to be
studied, and learned so
one knows -- with the Index -- where to
find answers) MANAS is 3 -
fold The LOWER MANAS has to actively
aspire for the wisdom and
VIRTUES of the HIGHER MANAS (or
BUDDHI-MANAS) [Virtues are
thoughts and acts that are brotherly,
generous, useful and harmonious
with the great LAWS of Nature
(Karma).]
One could say that by giving
away Theosophical ideas and ideals,
one acquires an ever-growing find of
them for practical use.
If I insist on returning again and again to
"fundamentals" it is
because one cannot understand QUADRATIC EQUATIONS
and CALCULUS,
or calculate ORBITS of INTERSECTION, without a sound
basic
knowledge of addition, subtraction, multiplication and division.
Those cannot be modified unless one insists on constructing his
own
version of chaos. "Everybody was out of step but Johnny."
In my
esteem you cannot go far wrong with the concepts of
Theosophy because
one of its basic approaches is to confer with
others on the propositions
it offers. Are they right or wrong?
And you are always entirely
FREE to find out for yourself. But
if you desire to wander
here and there and are unsure of what
Theosophy has to offer, then
indeed you waste time, and so do I.
Best wishes,
Dallas
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Mauri
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