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RE: Theos-World Re:Struggling to find the origin of the point of it All.

Jan 08, 2001 05:28 PM
by dalval14

Dear Odin:

The examples you quote are very useful to me. Thanks.

If we look on any action of ours as moved by MOTIVE, the very
choice affects billions of living MONADS. They being affected
become the "vehicles" or
carriers" of the KARMA resulting from our choices.

They are either improved and elevated, or they are retarded in
their own progress. As they are magnetically linked to us, they
immediately color our choices now and in the future by the
coloring we give them. So Karma it seems to me begins right

Major precipitations good or bad, would seem to arrive to teach
us, at some time when we and the rest of those affected are in a
position to profit from the effort of GREAT NATURE to being about
the needed balance and restoration of harmony.

See if that adds to our grasp of this subject.

Best wishes,


-----Original Message-----
From: []
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2001 2:21 AM
Subject: Theos-World Re:Struggling to find the origin of the
point of it All.

In a message dated 01/07/01 3:18:46 PM,

>Total Unconditioned Consciousness and Bare Subjectivity
>Absolute abstract motion and absolute abstract space.

In reality, the above statement implies a necessary duality that
must exist
within the Absolute pre-manifest Reality in order to maintain a
Polarity, as
well as a Duality, within a (Monadic) Unity, both before and
after the
"Absolute abstract motion" AND "absolute abstract apace" (that is
essential *ground* of absolute motionlessness) becomes manifest.
HPB is too
rigorous a writer to use the word "and" except in it true logical
In this case as a separation between two different essential
elements or
aspects of *one* thing -- encompassing a *trinity* in essence.
(*---* =

Thus, a duality must come from a duality, and a trinity must come
from a

Note: How this actually occurs after emanation in accord with
Three fundamental principles was explained in my previous posts
in bn-sd, bn-basic, theos-talk forums, and pictured
symbolically and
discussed on the web sites:

Therefore, while there is only one Unconditioned Consciousness
by Absolute Motion or "spinergy") prior to manifestation, that
becomes the seven principles from Atma to the Physical Body of
the Universe
as well as all the *beings* in it -- those fields of Conditioned
Consciousness, filling all of Conditioned Space-time, would have
to have a
definite number of zero-points of *non-motion* as the Conditioned
within each field. These zero- or laya-points, then, must be the
or reflections of the zero-point of "Bare Subjectivity" or
"Absolute Abstract
Space" that existed unconditionally prior to manifestation, or
existence. Thus, the Monadic trinity of all fields, in order to
maintained in continuity and coadunation (although not in
after manifestation, must have its roots in a similar Triune
basis of the
Absolute totality. This totality, then, would be that unknown
"Emptiness" or "Rootless Root" within which the circular spinergy
of Absolute
Motion and the zero-point of Absolute Stillness, or "Total
Consciousness" and "Bare Subjectivity," are rooted.

Thus, the totality of the manifest fields of consciousness as a
and the zero points of conditioned awareness as a *unity*, would
be the
*quatrenary* representing the Manifest Universe. That, plus the
unity of the
"never to be known" Absolute (Emptiness or Void) container of
all, would
become the final *quintenary* -- which corresponds to the
equation in the
Book of Dzyan, "The Three, the One, the Four, the One, The Five,
the Twice
Seven, the Sum Total." This, of course, refers not only to the
evolution of
the fields, but also to the conscious entities, or Builders,
Dhyan Chohans,
Ah Hi, etc., who oversee and guide the initial involution and
evolution of
the Cosmos.

It follows, then, that the Buddha's statement that "Nothing comes
Nothing" also means that something has to come from something.
And, that
something (and the something that it comes from) "is neither
empty nor full,
but both" -- as HPB pointed out. (This, of course, could be
extended to being
"neti, neti," or neither nothing nor something, but both -- as
both the
Buddha and I have pointed out.;-)

>My intuition is that these two are identical but that it takes
time and
>space for the student to understand this. One needs to clear
>mind of all illusion; emotions of all glamour and the behavior
of all
>bad habits. Then one's perception of Total Consciousness as
>distorted motion/space becomes clarified Absolute motion/space
>and is the perfect representation of the one Consciousness.

>I sense something else, however. This Consciousness is empty:
>not in a negative sense, not in a positive sense, but in a
>restful, peaceful sense; a peaceful sense that surpasses our
>understanding, even the most perfect understanding.
>I am happy to start with:
>"Nothing comes from nothing."
>To me this states the basic fact. Nothing can remain nothing
>yet be stated as equations. These equations are harmonized with
>our integrated and total experience of the world and one is
>to assert that for every action there must be an equal and
>reaction. It seems to me that the Buddha meant that the fact is
>there is nothing. One cannot create something out of nothing so
>that what seems like something is really nothing. Nothing(no
>assumptions, neti, neti) appears as nothing to the enlighened
>All thought upon the subject is now over. One is free to leave,
>there are others who do not see this. Thought is over but the
>compassion begins. These others are projections of one's own
>self and enlightenment must now be allowed to sink deeper and
>deeper into all of "creation". There is a rock solid
>reason that one can't allow any sentient being to suffer without
>trying one's best to help that being. Altruism is a choice, but
>are very good reasons for choosing such a life.
>Leon, I accept that it is probable that what you are explaining
>me is true, that there must be assumptions that aren't
>proven, but, part of me, a foolish part, perhaps a wise part, or
>senses that there may be no need for any unproven assumptions,
>just Self-evident Truth.

All well and good, as far as speculations or theories go. But,
Truth" has to be backed up by actual conscious *experience* of
that Truth,
both intuitively and rationally. That's the only mindful
*activities* that
can make it truly evident. When one has intuitively experienced
the nature
of the fundamental truths, then, provided one looks a little
deeper, all the
derivative analogies and correspondences also become self
evident. As these
analogies and correspondences are also part of our rational
experience, they
can then be explained both in writing and graphically, and
related both
indirectly and directly to the absolute truths one has grasped

HPB used this technique in all her writings (in the language of
her age).
Therefore, every scientific correlation I've used (in the
language of this
age) to rationally and logically explain the nature of the
Manifest Cosmos
with relation to the Absolute Totality (of which it is the direct
-- has been gleaned solely from the writings of HPB in the Secret
along with the Glossary and her other tutorial articles,
transactions and
books, coupled with deep meditation on every word, phrase and
sentence read
(sometimes out loud with expression :-).

While doing this study, whatever graphic image or equation came
up in mind,
triggered by the readings -- I immediately drew a picture or
wrote it down in
the margin. After the first ten years, when all the margins were
full, I
purchased another copy of the SD and started over from scratch
with an
entirely new set of margin notes referring to whatever
correlation of modern
science made sense.

(Although the ethical and moral aspects of the teachings were
implied and
noted, that was not the purpose of the SD -- since it was
designed to teach the metaphysics behind these precepts which
were more
thoroughly elucidated in the companion *practice* book, *The
Voice of the

It is these same words, phrases and sentences in the SD, as
explanations of
intuitive truths, that has similarly inspired all the major
breakthroughs of
modern science -- from the seminal (although sometimes
theories of relativity,
etc., to
superstrings-membranes, as well as the theory of ABC that
integrates them
all. So, it's all there, in the SD, for the "intuitive students"
to glean
for themselves by careful, self devised and self determined study
and effort.
Einstein said, modestly, when people called him a genius, that
"Genius is
simply concentration on a single thought or idea for a long
period of time."

I hope this adds further clarification to the study of the
metaphysics as partially, if not fully, divulged in the Secret
Doctrine and
other writings of HPB.


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