Theos-Talk Archives (December 2000 Message tt00029)

Well Gene which do you prefer the life in prison with it's 
discipline and organization or the life of freedom... This is what 
i've found in working with people that they respond best to less 
organization and more spontaneous and receptive to a free 
atmosphere spiritually.

- Art


--- In theos-talk@egroups.com, "Eugene Carpenter" 
<Ecarpent@c...> wrote:
> But there is no freedom without discipline and organization. 
There can be
> no harmony without conflict; no purity without defilement.
> 
> This morning I was reading Garma Chang on the train. Later. . 
. . waiting
> for connecting bus. Across the road. . . . Los Angeles County 
Prison.
> Freedom, I thought. . . . freedom.
> 
> Gene
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <arthra999@y...>
> To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:43 AM
> Subject: Theos-World Advice from Krishnamurti:
> 
> 
> >
> > To climb high one must begin low
> > Religious organizations become as fixed and as rigid as the
> > thoughts of those who belong to them. Life is a constant 
change,
> > a continual becoming, a ceaseless revolution, and because 
an
> > organization can never be pliable, it stands in the way of 
change;
> > it becomes reactionary to protect itself. The search for truth is
> > individual, not congregational. To commune with the real 
there
> > must be aloneness, not isolation but freedom from all 
influence
> > and opinion. Organizations of thought inevitably become
> > hindrances to thought.
> >
> > As you yourself are aware, the greed for power is almost
> > inexhaustible in a so-called spiritual organization; this greed 
is
> > covered over by all kinds of sweet and official-sounding 
words,
> > but the canker of avariciousness, pride and antagonism is
> > nourished and shared. From this grow conflict, intolerance,
> > sectarianism and other ugly manifestations.
> >
> > Would it not be wiser to have small informed groups of 
twenty or
> > twenty-five persons, without dues or membership, meeting
> > where it is convenient to discuss gently the approach to 
reality?
> > To prevent any group from becoming exclusive, each 
member
> > could from time to time encourage and perhaps join another
> > small group; thus it would be extensive, not narrow and
> > parochial.
> >
> > To climb high one must begin low. Out of this small 
beginning
> > one may help to create a more sane and happy world.
> >
> > -Krishnamurti
> >
> > The Book of Life:
> > Daily Meditations with J. Krishnamurti
> > December Chapter
> >
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