Theos-Talk Archives (December 2000 Message tt00041)

Hi Art,

The reference may be to the freedom/prison duality in context of the
harmony/conflict; soul/body; spirit/matter communtity of pairs of opposites.
Then the kicker: Emptiness is form; form is emptiness.

Freedom is prison; prison is freedom.

Unconventional wisdom or

conventional folly?

Gene



----- Original Message -----
From: <arthra999@yahoo.com>
To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:39 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: Advice from Krishnamurti:


> Well Gene which do you prefer the life in prison with it's
> discipline and organization or the life of freedom... This is what
> i've found in working with people that they respond best to less
> organization and more spontaneous and receptive to a free
> atmosphere spiritually.
>
> - Art
>
>
> --- In theos-talk@egroups.com, "Eugene Carpenter"
> <Ecarpent@c...> wrote:
> > But there is no freedom without discipline and organization.
> There can be
> > no harmony without conflict; no purity without defilement.
> >
> > This morning I was reading Garma Chang on the train. Later. .
> . . waiting
> > for connecting bus. Across the road. . . . Los Angeles County
> Prison.
> > Freedom, I thought. . . . freedom.
> >
> > Gene
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <arthra999@y...>
> > To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:43 AM
> > Subject: Theos-World Advice from Krishnamurti:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > To climb high one must begin low
> > > Religious organizations become as fixed and as rigid as the
> > > thoughts of those who belong to them. Life is a constant
> change,
> > > a continual becoming, a ceaseless revolution, and because
> an
> > > organization can never be pliable, it stands in the way of
> change;
> > > it becomes reactionary to protect itself. The search for truth is
> > > individual, not congregational. To commune with the real
> there
> > > must be aloneness, not isolation but freedom from all
> influence
> > > and opinion. Organizations of thought inevitably become
> > > hindrances to thought.
> > >
> > > As you yourself are aware, the greed for power is almost
> > > inexhaustible in a so-called spiritual organization; this greed
> is
> > > covered over by all kinds of sweet and official-sounding
> words,
> > > but the canker of avariciousness, pride and antagonism is
> > > nourished and shared. From this grow conflict, intolerance,
> > > sectarianism and other ugly manifestations.
> > >
> > > Would it not be wiser to have small informed groups of
> twenty or
> > > twenty-five persons, without dues or membership, meeting
> > > where it is convenient to discuss gently the approach to
> reality?
> > > To prevent any group from becoming exclusive, each
> member
> > > could from time to time encourage and perhaps join another
> > > small group; thus it would be extensive, not narrow and
> > > parochial.
> > >
> > > To climb high one must begin low. Out of this small
> beginning
> > > one may help to create a more sane and happy world.
> > >
> > > -Krishnamurti
> > >
> > > The Book of Life:
> > > Daily Meditations with J. Krishnamurti
> > > December Chapter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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