Theos-Talk Archives (November 2000 Message tt00086)

Gene,

How very enlightening! I don't mind it at all!

"The Prodigal Sun" - yes, very true and very clever! We fall from 
heaven, as it were, to experience life and accentuate our souls. But 
the illusion of seperation keeps us bound until we can accept the 
Father once more.

Thank You for your input,
Lucas

--- In theos-talk@egroups.com, "Eugene Carpenter" <Ecarpent@c...> 
wrote:
> Lucas,
> 
> I hope I don't seem rude putting my two cents in, but I find this
> fascinating too.
> 
> One clue might be, as HPB has written
> : To exist is to have been exhiled. And. Existence doesn't exist 
it IS
> existence.
> Perhaps to exist is to have been exhiled from the heavenly states of
> Atma-Buddhi-Higher Manas. We, humanity, are the Prodigal Sun.
> 
> Thankyou very much for your comments.
> 
> Gene
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <brigid.lucas@l...>
> To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:24 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: 0 + 1 and their friends.
> 
> 
> > Thank You Shampan-e-Shindh (by the way what does your name mean -
> > just curious). I do appreciate your message.
> >
> > This is a subject that has occupied my mind for some time. The
> > question seems to me: "From where did existence come? I know I 
exist,
> > that everyhting else that exists exists, but how did It All come
> > about?"
> > Since I've read certain books, I have conceptualized existence and
> > non-existence being (or not being) at the same time (the best I 
could
> > at least). This is some of what I feel I can gather from such 
books
> > as "The Upanisads", but I could never be certain that this is what
> > was being said. It is nice to know that the same concept is 
shared.
> > I wonder if the One has knowledge of how It started existing out 
of
> > non-existence? Quite a difficult subject to say the least!
> >
> > Thanks again,
> > Lucas of Brigid
> >
> > --- In theos-talk@egroups.com, Shampan-e-Shindh <shampan@z...> 
wrote:
> > > Dear Mr Carpenter and List,
> > >
> > > Numbers counting and their various progressions are all numeric
> > expression of
> > > occurrence / existence.
> > >
> > > To go to roots, basics, fundamentals.. let's start from where it
> > all began.
> > >
> > > What are numbers? .. The comparison of everything in quantity 
(that
> > is what we
> > > invented numberings for, it is our invention, only one point of
> > view WE
> > > invented)
> > >
> > > One stick exists, another stick exists.. together.. they are 2
> > sticks. There is
> > > no such thing as "no sticks".. but we can imagine .. 
where "there
> > are no
> > > sticks"; only then .. no sticks is a reality.. Thus 0 sticks. In
> > that context,
> > > of course 0 is an existence.
> > >
> > > Those are things which are "countable" or comparable to one
> > another in
> > > quantity. There are things which are not countable. That is 
where
> > numbers fail
> > > to be the expressions of these existences. Numbers can only 
signify
> > things which
> > > are structured in solid form due to their atomic structures.. 
You
> > cannot count
> > > water.. If you example "a drop of water". I can bring another 
drop
> > and mix with
> > > it, and they both become one drop.
> > >
> > > Yes .. there is where all numbers actually merge with more facts
> > than
> > > "number-science" as significantly as materialistic existence
> > (touchables) with
> > > non-materialistic existence's (untouhcables).. Somewhat the same
> > as.. the
> > > smallest particles of an object are not quite touchable 
materials..
> > yet when
> > > they are in the usual circumstance they might create a physique.
> > You see .. all
> > > these, we are still considering, ... ALL THESE in regards to
> > things we can
> > > sense.. either by physical touch, or hear or vision .. or some
> > other ways. We
> > > might not be able to notice many occurrences .. that is where we
> > have found to
> > > numeric expression opening up the gates to .. those un-noticed
> > existances, but
> > > we know they exist.. those 2 numeric expressions are ..0 and
> > infinity.
> > >
> > > Opens up a whole lot of discussions. You know it is all like a 3
> > dimensional
> > > jigsaw puzzle. Just by numbers you have one little part of the
> > whole puzzle..
> > > there are all other concepts that need to click.. And when they
> > do.. you know
> > > you got something.. But how on earth are you going to explain 
it in
> > words..?
> > >
> > > Sham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >