Theos-Talk Archives (November 2000 Message tt00087)

Lucas,

Thanks. You are very welcome. I'm learning this stuff in concert.

Gene


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <brigid.lucas@lycos.com>
To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 1:34 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: 0 + 1 and their friends.


> Gene,
> 
> How very enlightening! I don't mind it at all!
> 
> "The Prodigal Sun" - yes, very true and very clever! We fall from 
> heaven, as it were, to experience life and accentuate our souls. But 
> the illusion of seperation keeps us bound until we can accept the 
> Father once more.
> 
> Thank You for your input,
> Lucas
> 
> --- In theos-talk@egroups.com, "Eugene Carpenter" <Ecarpent@c...> 
> wrote:
> > Lucas,
> > 
> > I hope I don't seem rude putting my two cents in, but I find this
> > fascinating too.
> > 
> > One clue might be, as HPB has written
> > : To exist is to have been exhiled. And. Existence doesn't exist 
> it IS
> > existence.
> > Perhaps to exist is to have been exhiled from the heavenly states of
> > Atma-Buddhi-Higher Manas. We, humanity, are the Prodigal Sun.
> > 
> > Thankyou very much for your comments.
> > 
> > Gene
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <brigid.lucas@l...>
> > To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Theos-World Re: 0 + 1 and their friends.
> > 
> > 
> > > Thank You Shampan-e-Shindh (by the way what does your name mean -
> > > just curious). I do appreciate your message.
> > >
> > > This is a subject that has occupied my mind for some time. The
> > > question seems to me: "From where did existence come? I know I 
> exist,
> > > that everyhting else that exists exists, but how did It All come
> > > about?"
> > > Since I've read certain books, I have conceptualized existence and
> > > non-existence being (or not being) at the same time (the best I 
> could
> > > at least). This is some of what I feel I can gather from such 
> books
> > > as "The Upanisads", but I could never be certain that this is what
> > > was being said. It is nice to know that the same concept is 
> shared.
> > > I wonder if the One has knowledge of how It started existing out 
> of
> > > non-existence? Quite a difficult subject to say the least!
> > >
> > > Thanks again,
> > > Lucas of Brigid
> > >
> > > --- In theos-talk@egroups.com, Shampan-e-Shindh <shampan@z...> 
> wrote:
> > > > Dear Mr Carpenter and List,
> > > >
> > > > Numbers counting and their various progressions are all numeric
> > > expression of
> > > > occurrence / existence.
> > > >
> > > > To go to roots, basics, fundamentals.. let's start from where it
> > > all began.
> > > >
> > > > What are numbers? .. The comparison of everything in quantity 
> (that
> > > is what we
> > > > invented numberings for, it is our invention, only one point of
> > > view WE
> > > > invented)
> > > >
> > > > One stick exists, another stick exists.. together.. they are 2
> > > sticks. There is
> > > > no such thing as "no sticks".. but we can imagine .. 
> where "there
> > > are no
> > > > sticks"; only then .. no sticks is a reality.. Thus 0 sticks. In
> > > that context,
> > > > of course 0 is an existence.
> > > >
> > > > Those are things which are "countable" or comparable to one
> > > another in
> > > > quantity. There are things which are not countable. That is 
> where
> > > numbers fail
> > > > to be the expressions of these existences. Numbers can only 
> signify
> > > things which
> > > > are structured in solid form due to their atomic structures.. 
> You
> > > cannot count
> > > > water.. If you example "a drop of water". I can bring another 
> drop
> > > and mix with
> > > > it, and they both become one drop.
> > > >
> > > > Yes .. there is where all numbers actually merge with more facts
> > > than
> > > > "number-science" as significantly as materialistic existence
> > > (touchables) with
> > > > non-materialistic existence's (untouhcables).. Somewhat the same
> > > as.. the
> > > > smallest particles of an object are not quite touchable 
> materials..
> > > yet when
> > > > they are in the usual circumstance they might create a physique.
> > > You see .. all
> > > > these, we are still considering, ... ALL THESE in regards to
> > > things we can
> > > > sense.. either by physical touch, or hear or vision .. or some
> > > other ways. We
> > > > might not be able to notice many occurrences .. that is where we
> > > have found to
> > > > numeric expression opening up the gates to .. those un-noticed
> > > existances, but
> > > > we know they exist.. those 2 numeric expressions are ..0 and
> > > infinity.
> > > >
> > > > Opens up a whole lot of discussions. You know it is all like a 3
> > > dimensional
> > > > jigsaw puzzle. Just by numbers you have one little part of the
> > > whole puzzle..
> > > > there are all other concepts that need to click.. And when they
> > > do.. you know
> > > > you got something.. But how on earth are you going to explain 
> it in
> > > words..?
> > > >
> > > > Sham
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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