Theos-Talk Archives (November 2000 Message tt00058)

Lucas,

I hope I don't seem rude putting my two cents in, but I find this
fascinating too.

One clue might be, as HPB has written
: To exist is to have been exhiled. And. Existence doesn't exist it IS
existence.
Perhaps to exist is to have been exhiled from the heavenly states of
Atma-Buddhi-Higher Manas. We, humanity, are the Prodigal Sun.

Thankyou very much for your comments.

Gene


----- Original Message -----
From: <brigid.lucas@lycos.com>
To: <theos-talk@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 4:24 PM
Subject: Theos-World Re: 0 + 1 and their friends.


> Thank You Shampan-e-Shindh (by the way what does your name mean -
> just curious). I do appreciate your message.
>
> This is a subject that has occupied my mind for some time. The
> question seems to me: "From where did existence come? I know I exist,
> that everyhting else that exists exists, but how did It All come
> about?"
> Since I've read certain books, I have conceptualized existence and
> non-existence being (or not being) at the same time (the best I could
> at least). This is some of what I feel I can gather from such books
> as "The Upanisads", but I could never be certain that this is what
> was being said. It is nice to know that the same concept is shared.
> I wonder if the One has knowledge of how It started existing out of
> non-existence? Quite a difficult subject to say the least!
>
> Thanks again,
> Lucas of Brigid
>
> --- In theos-talk@egroups.com, Shampan-e-Shindh <shampan@z...> wrote:
> > Dear Mr Carpenter and List,
> >
> > Numbers counting and their various progressions are all numeric
> expression of
> > occurrence / existence.
> >
> > To go to roots, basics, fundamentals.. let's start from where it
> all began.
> >
> > What are numbers? .. The comparison of everything in quantity (that
> is what we
> > invented numberings for, it is our invention, only one point of
> view WE
> > invented)
> >
> > One stick exists, another stick exists.. together.. they are 2
> sticks. There is
> > no such thing as "no sticks".. but we can imagine .. where "there
> are no
> > sticks"; only then .. no sticks is a reality.. Thus 0 sticks. In
> that context,
> > of course 0 is an existence.
> >
> > Those are things which are "countable" or comparable to one
> another in
> > quantity. There are things which are not countable. That is where
> numbers fail
> > to be the expressions of these existences. Numbers can only signify
> things which
> > are structured in solid form due to their atomic structures.. You
> cannot count
> > water.. If you example "a drop of water". I can bring another drop
> and mix with
> > it, and they both become one drop.
> >
> > Yes .. there is where all numbers actually merge with more facts
> than
> > "number-science" as significantly as materialistic existence
> (touchables) with
> > non-materialistic existence's (untouhcables).. Somewhat the same
> as.. the
> > smallest particles of an object are not quite touchable materials..
> yet when
> > they are in the usual circumstance they might create a physique.
> You see .. all
> > these, we are still considering, ... ALL THESE in regards to
> things we can
> > sense.. either by physical touch, or hear or vision .. or some
> other ways. We
> > might not be able to notice many occurrences .. that is where we
> have found to
> > numeric expression opening up the gates to .. those un-noticed
> existances, but
> > we know they exist.. those 2 numeric expressions are ..0 and
> infinity.
> >
> > Opens up a whole lot of discussions. You know it is all like a 3
> dimensional
> > jigsaw puzzle. Just by numbers you have one little part of the
> whole puzzle..
> > there are all other concepts that need to click.. And when they
> do.. you know
> > you got something.. But how on earth are you going to explain it in
> words..?
> >
> > Sham
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