Theos-Talk Archives (October 2000 Message tt00242)

Good points Bart! I too suspect Jesus was likely a essene type 
leader. Perhaps the Nazoreans were a group at least similar to 
the essenes and had similar practices. If you check out the 
Mandeaens you will find some interesting material from another 
view that Jesus was some sort of "traitor" to the followers of John 
the Baptist in that Jesus publically taught what they felt should 
have been kept in a mystery type tradition. The Mandeaen 
material can be found in the Gnostic archives on-line.

Your comment "...when people are running around claiming to 
be Jesus reborn
> (or the new vehicle for the "Christ"), my fraud radar comes on 
full
> power. 
is very important and significant in my view. I have similar 
feelings about those who claim to have the last word from the 
Master(s) and I know many fellow theosophists would disagree 
with this but it seems to me to be a holdover from Spiritualist 
influences in the early theosophical movement.

Your comment: "However, my great-grandfather, among many, 
many others was
> slaughtered for the crime of killing this Jesus guy. Several of 
my
> friends were the victims of beatings for the same crime." 

Only very recently as I understand the Catholic Church removed 
it's anathema against the "Christ killers" ... Jesus forgave them 
nearly two millenia ago if we accept traditional chronology. 

I was interested in the concept that people take on the group 
karma of the group they associate with spiritually. Thus being 
members of a group has benefits sometimes as well as 
possible liabilities. Only recently people have had a greater 
choice to allign themselves with a spiritual tradition.

- Art




--- In theos-talk@egroups.com, Bart Lidofsky <bartl@s...> wrote:
> arthra999@y... wrote:
> > Bart I was wondering if you subscribe to the argument of the
> > source you cited that Jesus derived from Yeishu ben 
Pandeira. If
> > so, then as with Mead you agree Jesus could have been 
Yeishu
> > ben Pandeira.
> 
> My personal belief? I believe that Jesus was a one of a 
number of
> Essene leaders of the time, and the stories about him got 
amalgamated
> with the stories of many teachers, and got mushed together 
into the New
> Testament. However, my great-grandfather, among many, 
many others was
> slaughtered for the crime of killing this Jesus guy. Several of 
my
> friends were the victims of beatings for the same crime. 
> 
> The Mahatmas wrote that metaphysical truth should be taught 
in the
> idiom in which the people understand. But, far too often, 
people look at
> the map, and think it's the terrain. The stories of Jesus make 
nice
> myths, but when people are running around claiming to be 
Jesus reborn
> (or the new vehicle for the "Christ"), my fraud radar comes on 
full
> power.
> 
> Some born again Christians use the saying (even if far too 
many don't
> follow it), "What would Jesus do?" Well, at least based on the 
stories
> I've read about him, he wouldn't do ANYTHING resembling 
what these
> so-called "World Teachers" are doing. 
> 
> Bart Lidofsky


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