Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00367)

Dear Friends:

Of what possible use is "ranking ?"

Who wants to feel superior to whom ? Why?

We have all the trouble in the world managing our own lower
nature to be curious about the struggles or the successes of
others -- those are all SIDE ISSUES and if anything, they relate
solely to the individuals themselves and are not up for scrutiny
for anyone else save one's INNER MASTER.  This has nothing to do
with the PRINCIPLES or the PROGRESS of the HUMAN EGO through its
many incarnations.  It is sheer nonsense to believe that this is
at all significant.  However if one wants to play with toys, then
let's go to the real children and cease making Theosophical sand
castles.  Or am I totally wrong in this ?

Any writing or attention paid to this is way outside the purview
of ORIGINAL THEOSOPHY.  Can you find HPB (or the Masters) wasting
and time  at all on such things ?

Please -- if this be theosophy (which it is not) then save me
from it.

Dallas


D. T. B.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com
[mailto:owner-theos-talk@theosophy.com]On Behalf Of Dennis Kier
Sent: Friday, May 26, 2000 9:52 PM
To: theos-talk@theosophy.com
Subject: Re: Theos-World Several Comments on Alice Bailey


>     On the other hand, Creme has indicated that the point of
evolution for
> Blavatsky was 4.0 .

Mr. Leadbeater also had a system of ranking people according to
their
spiritual progress. Is this what Creme is using?

>     Finally, Benjamin Creme claims that he is in telepathic
rapport, like
> Bailey and Blavatsky, with one of the Senior Members of the
Hierarchy, a
> Master whose name is not to be released at this time, but soon.
That is
> the source of his information. His further claim is that it is
Maitreya,
> and following that the Hierarchy (including the Master Jesus),
which is
> externalizing at this time.  The evidence seems fairly
convincing and
> should, I think, be looked at honestly and critically in its
own light.

I am pretty sure that he had a center in North Hollywood about 10
years ago,
and the claims made then are just about the same as I  am seeing
again here.

I was under the impression then that the "externalization" would
take place
shortly. Shortly has come and gone.

It is common to note in Spiritualist circles that one class of
spirit will
try to flatter the mediumistic person by telling them of the
spiritual
wonders that they will accomplish, and that they were specially
chosen for
this mission, until they start taking orders from the spirit,
after which
their life will go downhill fast. Mr. Creme has been doing this
longer than
most mediums last under the influence.

I have problems with the slow progress of this Externalization,
if any is to
take place. Has Creme been predicting when this EXT. will take
place? Do you
get the impression it will be before the next 12 years will pass?
When I was
reading the magazine 10 years ago, I am pretty sure that they had
a date
fixed for it to happen, and that that date came and went 8 to 10
years ago.

There are a lot of people interested in these things. There are
enough that
people can constantly come, get aquainted, and then after 2 or 3
years,
leave again, that the orgainzation can live on for years.




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