Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00322)

Unless I am mistaken, it was Kepler who likened the Divine Proportion (phi) to a
bag of diamonds.  He also likened the Pythagorean Theorem to a bag of gold.  Phi
can be looked at one way as evidence of attachment.

Spencer

Spencer wrote:

> If I said pi I apologize.  I meant phi, the Other constant.  One might think of
> it as pi manifesting.  As for the numbers, you're on the right track; a = 0, u
> = 0 and m = 0.  Like I said, it probably means nothing.
>
> Spencer
>
> Peter Merriott wrote:
>
> > Hi Spencer,
> >
> > What base are you using to translate letters into numbers? I can see, at
> > least I think I can, that you are using a=0, b=1, c=2 etc.  But how does L=2
> > if you are going from 0 to 9 repeatedly?   Could you also say in what sense
> > iron 'fe' resembles pi?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > ...Peter
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-theos-talk@THEOSOPHY.COM
> > > [mailto:owner-theos-talk@THEOSOPHY.COM]On Behalf Of Spencer
> > > Sent: 26 May 2000 15:10
> > > To: theos-talk@THEOSOPHY.COM
> > > Subject: Re: Theos-World Fundamental theosohical principles and their
> > > relationship toscience.
> > >
> > >
> > > Truth = 9 + 7 + 0 + 9 + 7 = 32 = 3 + 2 = 5
> > >
> > > Light = 2 + 8 + 6 + 7 + 9 = 32 = 3 + 2 = 5
> > >
> > > Buddha = 1 + 0 + 3 + 3 + 7 + 0 = 1 + 4 = 5
> > >
> > > Nature = 3 + 0 + 9 + 0 + 7 + 4 = 23 = 2 + 3 = 5
> > >
> > > Be-ness = 1 + 4 + 3 + 4 + 8 + 8 = 28 = 2 + 8 = 10
> > >
> > >
> > > Meaningful?  I don't know.  Meaningless?  Perhaps.  It's probably nothing.
> > >
> > >
> > > Life = 2 + 8 + 5 + 4 = 19 = 1 + 9 = 10
> > >
> > > Suffering = 8 + 0 + 5 + 5 + 4 + 7 + 8 + 3 + 6 = 46 = 4 + 6 = 10
> > >
> > >
> > > Life is suffering.                 Gautama Buddha
> > >
> > > Life = suffering.                  Mathematical translation of 'is'
> > >
> > > Life = sufring   (fe)             Associative Property of Equality
> > >
> > > Life = surfing   (fe)             Commutative Property of Equality
> > >
> > > Life = surfing   (Fe)            Periodic Table symbol for Iron
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Iron attaches to a magnet.  (Fe) bears a striking resemblance to the
> > > mathematical constant, phi.
> > > What does any of this mean, if anything?
> > > Practice detachment.
> > >
> > > Spencer
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > LeonMaurer@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > To set the record a bit straighter for those who read these
> > > numerological
> > > > dialogues and who are not overly fascinated by apparently
> > > mystical numbers
> > > > that  -- while in many cases reflective of occult processes --
> > > are sometimes
> > > > presented and taken totally out of context... Consider the following.
> > > >
> > > > Without showing the logical basis of such numbers and their cabalistic
> > > > reductions -- with direct reference to and correlation with the
> > > nonlinear
> > > > cyclic and spherical forces ("music of the spheres") from which they
> > > > originate and reflect -- could be entirely superficial as well
> > > as meaningless
> > > > and misleading to most serious students of occult or esoteric
> > > theosophy --
> > > > especially, beginners.
> > > >
> > > > The "why" and "how" in these teachings and understandings are as equally
> > > > important as the "what" and "wherefor."  The I Ching is a good
> > > example of
> > > > this, since its  numbers and their relationships are simply a symbolic
> > > > reflection of the esoteric teachings given out in its
> > > commentaries, and have
> > > > no fundamental meaning in themselves -- except to serve as an symbolic
> > > > mathematical or geometric tool linking the objective questioner
> > > indirectly
> > > > with the subjectivity of the oracle -- whose metaphoric
> > > pronouncements, as
> > > > translated by the ancient Chinese Taoist philosophers, still
> > > requires, for
> > > > proper interpretation, a profound and intuitive knowledge of
> > > the spherical
> > > > and multidimnsional "tai-chi" forms of primal energy fields and
> > > the nonlinear
> > > > laws and relationships of their cycles and periodicities that require
> > > > nonlinear forms of mathematical geometries -- yet to be fully
> > > understood or
> > > > codified, except partially, perhaps, in the graphical interpretations of
> > > > fractal and non-euclidian geometries used in the new sciences of chaos,
> > > > "simplicity" and "complexity," as well as in some aspects of post modern
> > > > quantum and sub-quantum physics such as Superstring and
> > > Membrane theories.
> > > >
> > > > Notice that HPB in the Secret Doctrine, always explained the occult
> > > > derivations, relationships and significances whenever she made
> > > reference to
> > > > cabalistic numbers.  The reason for this is that one of the
> > > main purposes of
> > > > HPB's (and the Master's) exposure of esoteric theosophy was to help us
> > > > simultaneously combine nonlinear and linear (abstract and objective,
> > > > macrocosmic and microcosmic, as above so below, etc.)
> > > understandings, while
> > > > closing the gap and opening the bridge between linear left brain and
> > > > nonlinear right brain network-type thinking -- which, to thoroughly
> > > > comprehend the esoteric teachings, must be merged together.
> > > Her purpose (as
> > > > well as that of the Masters) was to awaken the intuition and assist in
> > > > training the linear and nonlinear linked graphical imagination
> > > of prospective
> > > > chelas and possible future initiates... The opposite of whom
> > > would be the
> > > > possibly brain washed blind believers in pseudo esoteric dogmas... As is
> > > > observed among many members of organized religions and
> > > followers of some so
> > > > called psychic cultists and other neo-theosophists or "new age"
> > > teachers --
> > > > who would like to see a "new world order" based on hierarchical
> > > and linear
> > > > numbers with the masses under easy control of their rulers
> > > (note the linear
> > > > connotation of the word "rulers") while still maintaining a semblance of
> > > > individual choice.
> > > > The quickest way to accomplish such mind control would be to teach their
> > > > members to either concentrate solely on the abstract level of pure
> > > > spirituality as well as its associated rituals (which makes them
> > > > non-resistors to their "controllers" or "gurus" mystical
> > > pronouncements), or
> > > > focus on the concrete level of numbers, formulas, letters and
> > > words (which
> > > > gives them an inclination to confine their thinking into an externally
> > > > determined linear order that blindly follows their leader's ends).
> > > > Unfortunately, this is highly prevalent, today, in many schools
> > > of so called
> > > > esoteric teachings, some of which profess to be based on fundamental
> > > > theosophy.
> > > >
> > > > It's good to remember, in light of the above, that the DNA
> > > linear numerical
> > > > code, for example, cannot function unless it is linked to the actual
> > > > multidimensional nonlinear Astral fields that organically empower the
> > > > proteins and magnetically guides their elements into their 3-dimensional
> > > > chemical forms and body positions.  Is this the reason that
> > > while science can
> > > > superficially observe, count, and analyze the structure of the genes
> > > > themselves, as well as understand the physical nature of the 4
> > > chemical bases
> > > > of amino acids that compose the genetic code, they can't
> > > entirely explain how
> > > > such codes work to actually build and position the 3-dimensional protein
> > > > molecules or biological organisms that the DNA-RNA (strings of code)
> > > > partially serves to guide?  They see only what they believe to
> > > be the cause
> > > > and the effect, but have little understanding of the actual
> > > coenergetic field
> > > > related processes in between.  Perhaps if scientists could recognize the
> > > > existence of an Astral body which is formed of pure field interference
> > > > patterns of magnetic energy in a higher order dimensional
> > > space, they would
> > > > have no trouble explaining these fundamental processes of life,
> > > as well as
> > > > evolution, and their linkages to the DNA code.
> > > >
> > > > Please don't take these observations as any denial of the validity of
> > > > esoteric numerology (which can be very useful as both
> > > confirmation of occult
> > > > principles as well as in the recognition of analogies and
> > > correspondences) --
> > > > but simply, as food for thought in self-determining its value in helping
> > > > better understand the fundamental principles and the derivative
> > > teachings of
> > > > theosophy along with its roots in esoteric occultism.
> > > >
> > > > LHM
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 05/24/00 7:33:06 PM, kellogg@west.net writes:
> > > >
> > > > >> <SNIP>
> > > > >
> > > > >> As above, so below:
> > > > >
> > > > >As (above) so (below)
> > > > >
> > > > >As 01414 so 14242
> > > > >
> > > > >As  0 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 4 so 1 + 4 + 2 + 4 + 2
> > > > >
> > > > >As 10 so 13
> > > > >
> > > > >As 10 so 1 + 3
> > > > >
> > > > >As 10 so 4
> > > > >
> > > > >The difference is six.
> > > > >
> > > > >60 = 6 + 0 = 6
> > > > >
> > > > >Descent = 3 + 4 + 8 + 2 + 4 + 3 + 9
> > > > >
> > > > >Descent = 33 = 3 + 3 = 6
> > > > >
> > > > >Tetragrammaton = 9 + 4 + 9 + 7 + 0 + 6 + 7 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 9  + 4 + 3
> > > > >= 58 =
> > > > >5 + 8 = 13 = 1 + 3 = 4
> > > > >
> > > > >Tetraktis =  9 + 4 + 9 + 7 + 0 + 1 + 9 + 8 + 8 = 55 = 5 + 5 = 10, "The
> > > > >Sacred
> > > > >Pythagorean number Number."
> > > > >
> > > > ><SNIP>
> > > > >
> > > > >Spencer
> > > > >
> > > >
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