Theos-Talk Archives (May 2000 Message tt00123)

> DTB Reference please ?  Where and Who said that ?
>
> Dear Dennis:
>
> As far as I am concerned this needs a lot of referencing to help
> me to check out the novel statements that I read in what you
> write.  I hope you will not mind finding them for me.  I would be
> obliged.
>

Novel! well, that is one way of putting it. Olcott, Djual Kuhl, Monroe,
Regardie, Silva. Not HPB, so therefore Novel? For more than a century others
have been building on the base that HPB built, and have become classics in
themsrlves.

> DK And Damodar came to the conclusion while he was living at
> ADYAR in the headquarters, that HPB was a dead body reanimated by the
Master, and the other Masters.
>
> DTB Again.  Do you have an actual reference that corroborates
> this ?

This is a letter that starts (Letter #2) on page 33, in the book  by Sven
Eek, DAMODAR, published by the Theosophical Publishing House, Adyar, India,
1978.

It says, (that Damodar wrote), "My inference then is that the real H.P.B. is
nothing but either a paralyzed soul or a dead body under the control of some
adept."

That is a pretty astute observation, given the recent analysis by Daniel.

I am sure that you have recognised it all by now, but for those not as well
read as you, the quote is from letter No. 2 dated Bombay, 24th January,
1880, written to William Q Judge. Mr. Judge later fictionalized it all as "A
Hindu Chela's Diary." And the original of the letter is said to be in the
Point Loma Theosophical Society, which I assume is now the Pasadena
Theosophical University Press.

That particular sentence of his observations is on page 39 of the book
DAMODAR.

Your post is pretty concentrated writing, and I will study it for some time
later.

I was born in the 1920s, and when I was young, when I was trying to remember
where I had read a fact or episode, I could even remember the color of the
cover of the book or magazine to help me track down the book.

I have never been married, and the upside to that is that I can get to a
vastly more amount of email, books, magazines, and all that. The downside is
that I have a lot more material to try to remember where it is, and I can no
longer remember the color of the cover, or whether the quote is in a book or
a magazine.

The last time I was asked for a source, I looked at all the probable sources
first, and finally ended up finding it in a book that the asker had written.
As far as I know, you don't write books, so we can rule that out. And as in
my quote above from Olcott, if it wasn't written by HPB, you will not allow
the observation or report to impinge upon your consciousness as being even
remotely credible. Since these events that I have read or written about
happened at sometime after the death of HPB, that narrows the search down
even further.

It is sort of surprising that no one here (evidently) reads any books
written later than the early 1890s. I started off mentioning Old Diary
Leaves, and very few here had even heard of it, let alone ever seen a copy.
And no one has ever read anything by Djual Kuhl/Alice Bailey, but they have
very definite oppinions about the quality and veracity of the writing there.
And people get even more upset when Maury mentions a modern
investigator/discoverer like Robert Monroe, or Jose Silva.

I can say definitely that probably HPB has not written much about the things
I mention above, and you will not find anything that I say about where I
read those things credible in your mind. I don't recall just exactly where I
read the things that you don't dismiss out-of-hand, like Olcott, but I will
put up a flag, and when I run across them again, I will be sure to let you
know where they are.

Saying "Vague and Uncertain" is a good way to dismiss facts that one does
not wish to acknowledge. I will try to remember which facts you wish to
acknowledge and which not.

MMe. Alexandra David-Neel travelled extensively in Tibet, and discusses the
customs she finds there sometime before the First World war, and even
mentions staying at a lodging run by a local branch of Theosophy, somewhere
near the border of Tibet. I have a lot of those books written in or about
the time that HSO passed away, in and out of the Theosophical Society. Some
have indexes and some do not. As I get to references that you might be
interested in, I will write them down. I will comment on the rest of the
above when I get the time to look up all the references.

Dennis




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